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Old 03-08-2011, 01:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is shogun as good as the hype

Look guys I think shogun is an impressive fighter no doubt but I thing people are getting a little too excited. They are acting like he is an mleaching to run through jones and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. Let's take a look at his ufc career.
Lost to forest
beat a past prime chuck
Took him 3 rounds to ko an old mark Coleman
And he beat machida.
That is not the most impressive record Ive seen.

Now I am not saying Jon jones Is going to kick his ass but he has a better chance then many fans are giving him.
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Shogun is without a doupt The Best LHW in the World right now, no question!

The thing is he had surgery ones again and he might not be the same fighter anymore.. thats the only reason for me to believe that this fight is 50/50.

Otherwise Shogun should be a 80/20 favourite!

ahh.. let's say 70/30
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Old 03-08-2011, 01:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Look guys I think shogun is an impressive fighter no doubt but I thing people are getting a little too excited. They are acting like he is an mleaching to run through jones and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. Let's take a look at his ufc career.
Lost to forest
beat a past prime chuck
Took him 3 rounds to ko an old mark Coleman
And he beat machida.
That is not the most impressive record Ive seen.

Now I am not saying Jon jones Is going to kick his ass but he has a better chance then many fans are giving him.
Dude, have you looked at the odds? There is *much* support for Bones. Very few people are predicting Rua will run through him.

Right now, I think Rua will win. But that opinion changes with every passing fart.
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I'd go as far as to say Shogun is underhyped.

For instance, I find it funny that there's no mention whatsoever of his Pride record in your post. Most UFC fans aren't aware of what a force he was before his knee problems started.
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Old 03-08-2011, 01:54 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The biggest thing, like someone mentioned already, is that Shogun is coming off of knee surgery. Other than that, Shogun's hype is warranted. His record is impressive, other than his stone age loss to sobral the guy has had terrible luck in all of his losses. His loss to coleman he accidentally broke his arm, his loss to Forrest he gassed cuz he just got out of knee surgery...his loss to Machida wasn't really a loss. Albet Jones has an impressive ass resume too, don't get me wrong he's my fave, to say Shogun is hyped is pretty ridiculous.
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I'd go as far as to say Shogun is underhyped.

For instance, I find it funny that there's no mention whatsoever of his Pride record in your post. Most UFC fans aren't aware of what a force he was before his knee problems started.
That's quite irrelevant. We're talking about the time his going to take on Jon Jones, not how he beat everybody badly 5 years ago. His still a wrecking machine but not as good as he was in Pride.
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I'd go as far as to say Shogun is underhyped.

For instance, I find it funny that there's no mention whatsoever of his Pride record in your post. Most UFC fans aren't aware of what a force he was before his knee problems started.
I agree.

Shogun was a monster in Pride, had a string of sloppy surgery related fights, then KO'd the "invincible" Machida after controversially losing to him.

He is, in my opinion, the best 205'er there is. I think he will beat Bones, not easily but I think he will do it, provided his knee does't act up.
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He wont beat Jones. What happen to Rua after he had knee surgery? Barely beat Coleman and had a bad fight against Chuck. If he comes in like that against JBJ, he will lose and lose big at that.

Will we see the same Rua we saw KO Machida? Don't know... It will take 2 fights at least to get back to 100% fighting shape and by that time, he will be getting older and JBJ will be getting even better.
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He wont beat Jones. What happen to Rua after he had knee surgery? Barely beat Coleman and had a bad fight against Chuck. If he comes in like that against JBJ, he will lose and lose big at that.

Will we see the same Rua we saw KO Machida? Don't know... It will take 2 fights at least to get back to 100% fighting shape and by that time, he will be getting older and JBJ will be getting even better.
But this time the recovery time was a little different, plus the medical care too. At least Dana said so

also Ring Rust is not a norm!
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What on earth are you babbling about?

Hype? He has been a top LHW for 6 or 7 years facing tons of top LHWs.
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