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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 03-09-2011, 06:43 AM Thread Starter
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Are the UFC welterweights obsessed with GSP or with the WW title?!

I was just thinking about the situation surrounding the WW division. We have GSP as the champion - and the truth is: he looks invincible at this moment.

Ever since his loss to Matt Serra he has dominated every fighter put in front of him: Serra, Koscheck x2, Hughes, Fitch, BJ Penn, Alves, Hardy.

If you look at the fighters he beat, you will find former champions, top ranked contenders, former undefeated fighters, guys who were on a roll - and he took care of all of them.

If you analyse the fighters he has beaten and their styles, you will find guys who have great overall skills, you will find great wrestlers, great strikers, great grapplers, BJJ black belts, guys who are bigger than him in terms of size - and he went through them like *a knife through hot butter*.

Has wasn't even close to being in trouble.
Next comes Shields, a guy who's BJJ should be GSP's biggest grappling test yet. My opinion is, he will outstrike Shields the same way he did Koscheck, beat Shield up on the feet, soften him up utill he is too tired to work his BJJ magic on the ground. We will see.

So...with this being said, i wanna focus on the main aspect of this thread.
What do you think: are the UFC welterweights obsessed with beating GSP - the invincible or GSP - the champion, the guy who has the belt?!

A few recet examples:

Martin Kampmann:
"I'm definitely thinking a win puts me closer to a title. Right now I'm focused winning on one fight at a time. Even so, I want to fight Georges (St. Pierre), he's the best guy, I'd rather fight him for the title than if he gives it up [to go to welterweight]. If I was fighting for the title, he's the guy I'd wanna fight because he's the best."

Chris Lytle:
"Without a doubt I want to fight St. Pierre. I don't think it's going to happen but if Georges gets beat by Jake Shields...if he slips and falls on his way into the cage, hits his head and gets beat by him I'd still like to fight St. Pierre. I'd love the title but in my opinion Georges St. Pierre is the best fighter right now and I'd like to fight the best. I want to test myself and I'd like to see how I would do against him because in my opinion he's the best and that's who I want to fight. I really hope he doesn't go up to 185 lbs. so I'll get that chance."

An exhausted Dong Hyun Kim's famous: "i want GSP!" after a close decision win over Diaz also fits in this cathegory.

I won't even bother talking about Fitch. Everyone knows what he wants. Koscheck seems to have had enough of GSP. Same with Hardy. BJ doesn't look that enthusiastic about it either.
Condit said he would be willing to fight GSP, even though they are sort of team mates and they have Greg Jackson as their strategist and game plan architect.
Ooooh yeah...and Nick Diaz's famous: "GSP isn't down to fighting me" interview.

I like Alves in this one. Ever since his loss to GSP and recently he seems to just focus on who's next for him. No GSP for now in his interviews at least.

A short explanation.

1. *GSP - the champion* is like every other champion: the guy you have to beat to become champion yourself. Doesn't matter who is the champion: you have to beat him. In this case, fighters who wanna become WW champions have to beat GSP, the fighter who became champion. That's it! They shouldn't look at him as more than this. They shouldn't look past the title, because that's their objective.

2. *GSP - the invincible* - the way he beats his opponents makes him look invincible. That's the truth. He doesn't seem to have any weaknesses whatsoever. It's not like Anderson Silva for example, who showed he has a big weakness when it comes to fighting a great wrestler. GSP just fights like a machine. Very calculated, he doesn't get distracted, nothing seems to bother him, he just goes in there with a mission and he executes it.
And this has the other fighters worried sick.

FU*K IT: i almost feel this whole situation is like watching an episode of "The Highlander" - all the welterweights feel like they will absorb GSP's invincibility if they beat him and they will receive some kind of super powers in the process.

"Forget about the title: i wanna beat GSP because that would make me look like the best fighter in the world. The belt would just be an extra accesory".
I believe, for some of these guys, especially those who already lost against GSP, beating him is more important than any belt. Forget the money also. it's just about beating this guy who everyone considers one of the greatest fighters ever.

It would be like scoring a slam dunk over Michael Jordan. Like sacking Peyton Manning in the Super Bowl, when he's on his way to scoring a touchdown. Like dribbling past Wayne Gretzky in the final of the Stanley Cup.

This sort of thing!

So guys, let it all out! Is there anyone else who's brain works the same as mine?!
Would love to hear some of your thoughts!
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I think it's both... if GSP moves up to 185, the next 2-3 ww-champions will have to answer a lot "what if gsp was still around"-questions.
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I really believe that there are still WW's like Fitch and StunGun who really think they could challenge GSP. It's probably just the fighters spirit or something similar..

I said this in another thread already, for me GSP has two options left just like every other invincible fighter in the past.

Either Move up and look out for challenges!

Or you have to go into retirement

Of course I prefer the first option and GSP will do so anyway after the Shields victory. The question is, will he really challenge Silva or just move up and fight top 10 MW's? Both would be great!
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Bottom line...Fan or No Fan of GSP...Odds are..If GSP stays at WW. He won't lose a fight for about 6-8 years...He's that good, and only getting better.

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I believe the fighters would rather attain the belt without fighting GSP. Its definately the title thery're after. Fighting GSP would only put a L in their W/L collumn. NO WW is on GSPs level and they all know this. The only reason they mention wanting to fight GSP is because of belt.
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They know that GSP is the champ not just the title holder. They want to beat him.

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Having a win against GSP on your record is exponentially better than just being UFC WW champ.

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Originally Posted by Hammerlock2.0 View Post
Having a win against GSP on your record is exponentially better than just being UFC WW champ.
I agree. I just don't believe that any of the WW genuinely believe they could beat GSP. Maybe they think that they may get lucky like Serra? Even if any of them fluke a win against GSP, they would know it was in fact nothing more than a fluke. GSP would still be the better fighter.
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