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Sambo de Amigo · 03-11-2011, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex_DeLarge_V2

Or maybe because he's 36, already proven his worth outside of his natural weight class, and the fact that GSP would have a very easy time bulking up for 185. It astounds me people are ignoring the fact that the guy trains at Jacksons, and people think there is no one capable there of bulking up GSP into a sizable 185er, which they would. Oh...and Anderson already said he'd go to 170. In fact, you can even tell the guy was working his way there with his weight in the Leites fight, I think it was that fight. What has GSP done? He's too big for lightweight, too small for middleweight. As much as I dislike BJ Penn, GSP gets pampered by his fans more than any other fighter in the history of MMA.

Reach advantage..wah wah. Size advantage, wah wah. I'm pretty sure Anderson was against all of those advantages you just mentioned against Forrest. If GSP is as good of a fighter and smart of a fighter as many say he is, then there's nothing to worry about?

Just excuses. GSP fans are losing sleep over this idea and will go to the grave with these never ending array of excuses.

Typical Bias fan response. For a start im not a fan of either and i have issues with both. So to begin with you say
Anderson has "proven his worth outside his natural weight" well i disagree , beating Forrest who may weigh more but has the same reach as is 1 inch taller isnt giving away to much i may add and given that he was KO'ed the fight earlier and KO'ed a few fights earlier by Keith Jardine suggests that he was a great fight for Anderson. His first fight was Irvin who was cut and has lost 4 of his last 6 with 1 draw and 1 win great opponent

. When people say GSP could Bulk up to 185 it makes me laugh every time , how do you know he could ? are you his trainer are you his nutritionist ? no so you're again assuming. Anderson is a big MW and GSP is WW but GSP at MW is smaller guy.

Answer me honestly do you really think Anderson would actually make the cut to 170 ? because i dont and even if he did and he lost i know the excuses would come out i.e he was weight drained or GSP is a ***** he should have moved up so like i said catch weight or GTFO.

If Edgar was good as he says he is he should move up in and weight and have no problem , thats your logic see how stupid it is.

To sum up you like Silva more so you will defend him to the hilt but your bias blinds you from the truth that is one way or another one guys gets a disadvantage if one moves up or down and i dont like that with so much on the line.

But if it helps you sleep at night keep thinking the way you do.

Mckeever · 03-11-2011, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sambo de Amigo

Typical Bias fan response. For a start im not a fan of either and i have issues with both. So to begin with you say
Anderson has "proven his worth outside his natural weight" well i disagree , beating Forrest who may weigh more but has the same reach as is 1 inch taller isnt giving away to much i may add and given that he was KO'ed the fight earlier and KO'ed a few fights earlier by Keith Jardine suggests that he was a great fight for Anderson. His first fight was Irvin who was cut and has lost 4 of his last 6 with 1 draw and 1 win great opponent

. When people say GSP could Bulk up to 185 it makes me laugh every time , how do you know he could ? are you his trainer are you his nutritionist ? no so you're again assuming. Anderson is a big MW and GSP is WW but GSP at MW is smaller guy.

Answer me honestly do you really think Anderson would actually make the cut to 170 ? because i dont and even if he did and he lost i know the excuses would come out i.e he was weight drained or GSP is a ***** he should have moved up so like i said catch weight or GTFO.

If Edgar was good as he says he is he should move up in and weight and have no problem , thats your logic see how stupid it is.

To sum up you like Silva more so you will defend him to the hilt but your bias blinds you from the truth that is one way or another one guys gets a disadvantage if one moves up or down and i dont like that with so much on the line.

But if it helps you sleep at night keep thinking the way you do.

Why couldn't he? He's fought at 170 on numerous ocassions. Anthony Johnson is large than life, he cuts down to 170. Of course Anderson could make the cut.

Sambo de Amigo · 03-11-2011, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mckeever

Why couldn't he? He's fought at 170 on numerous ocassions. Anthony Johnson is large than life, he cuts down to 170. Of course Anderson could make the cut.

My point wasnt that he is incapable of making the cut , it was the fact do you even think he actually would attempt to or is he just saying it to make GSP look bad which i believe he was.

Everyone is quick to say GSP should move up , if Anderson can move down do that but i dont hear Silva fans clamouring for that , and its because they want their guy to have advantages physically like i said but what ever bias fans make me laugh.

jhizzy · 03-11-2011, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by limba

LOL

What does that mean?!

It means Anderson was already in the process of losing weight while preparing for his fight against Maia.
What do you expect him to do?! Stay at 220 lbs up until 3 days before the weigh ins?!

My post was a response to someone who said there is no way Anderson weighs 225-230 lbs.
Guess what?! He is that heavy when he is not fighting.

And of course he has two ways of approaching weight cutting: one for MW and one for LHW.

The heaviest GSP was is 193-195 lbs. When he isn't fighting and not training too hard.
Check out his weight when his camp has started and he's training hard...One month before the fight you will discover he is at 180 and as the fight approaches he's losing more and more exstra weight, in order to pass the weigh ins.

PS: it's either what i said, or Soares is a retard who has amnesia or is a f*ckin liar.
ottherwise how can you explain him saying to different things?!
I believe my explanation is more realistic.

Cheers.

No, GSP weighed 187 for the BJ Penn II fight. After the Alves fight, he put on extra 8 pounds of mostly muscle to get to I think he said 195.

Against Hardy I specifically remember a reporter asking him how much he weighed going into the fight at the post fight press conference, and he said he was 193.

And for Koscheck he was also at 193.

Anderson on the other hand walks around between 205-220 but has ballooned up to the 220-230 range due to his god awful diet but a month before the fight he tends to be in the 195 range.

edit: here's a linke discussing gsp weight for penn 2 and I'll fetch more links when I get home from work. link

**Ape City** · 03-11-2011, 09:28 AM

The only way to make everyone happy is catchweight fight where neither title is on the line.

**Squirrelfighter** · 03-11-2011, 10:42 AM

Silva said he'd drop to 170 for the fight. White has mentioned 185, 170, and catchweight. GSP is living fixated on 185. The guy talks about being ever evolving and futher challenging himself, and then the biggest challenge that ever could present itself comes to life, and he skampers away, then says he's not skampering away.

To quote a MW who also knows the struggle of a scared opponent:

Mckeever · 03-11-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Squirrelfighter

Silva said he'd drop to 170 for the fight. White has mentioned 185, 170, and catchweight. GSP is living fixated on 185. The guy talks about being ever evolving and futher challenging himself, and then the biggest challenge that ever could present itself comes to life, and he skampers away, then says he's not skampering away.

To quote a MW who also knows the struggle of a scared opponent:

I agree. I dont think people understand the magnitude of this fight. This is potentially a once in a life time opportunity to see the pound for pound number 1 and p4p number 2 in back to back weight classes! Do you guys understand just how rare this is in combat sports?

This would be the biggest MMA fight EVER. The two very best fighters only one weight class apart, fighting for the ultimate number one spot. We are unlikely to ever really see some thing like this again.

And yes, catchweight would be perfect. I think if GSP stops this fight from happening then after he has retired and in years to come it will haunt him. He will always be thinking what if? Because GSP will always be second best to Anderson in the rankings. The majority of fans/journalist have Anderson Silva as the number one. How can GSP not be hungry for this? How can the fans not be hungry for this?!

**Soojooko** · 03-11-2011, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jhizzy

No, GSP weighed 187 for the BJ Penn II fight. After the Alves fight, he put on extra 8 pounds of mostly muscle to get to I think he said 195.

Against Hardy I specifically remember a reporter asking him how much he weighed going into the fight at the post fight press conference, and he said he was 193.

And for Koscheck he was also at 193.

Anderson on the other hand walks around between 205-220 but has ballooned up to the 220-230 range due to his god awful diet but a month before the fight he tends to be in the 195 range.

edit: here's a linke discussing gsp weight for penn 2 and I'll fetch more links when I get home from work. link

On fight night, I would wager Silva weighs about 205. Theres no way Silva walks around at 195 a month before the fight.