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Old 03-12-2011, 11:16 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It will be phased out after 2 years.
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Old 03-12-2011, 11:28 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Good thing they won't. Strikeforce and the UFC will be separate entities. This won't be like the Pride deal because the office structure is already in place at Strikeforce. Also, Zuffa won't be dealing with the mafia in an attempt to even keep a foothold.

Strikeforce will be Strikeforce, the UFC will be the UFC. Changing of owners does not equal changing of all staff. I just foresee a lot of fighters released from the UFC going to Strikeforce and a lot of fighters in Strikeforce being promoted to the UFC. The UFC will be come the elite organization while Strikeforce will be like the development league.
Everybody keeps saying this. I just don't see that happening. Zuffa has worked very hard at growing the UFC brand; what would the point of having another organization with lesser fighters be? As soon as the Shotime deal is up SF will fold.

The up-and-comers will fight on the undercards. That will be the pseudo-developmental league.
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Old 03-12-2011, 11:29 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Sadly, I have to agree with the gentlemen above. It won't live because it's neither good right now on a business standpoint or by the fans' standpoint.

I'd like to compare it to NBA vs WNBA. NBA simply has more guys at this top level than the WNBA does. It's why the WBNA has empty seats, and a only VERY poorly run NBA organization has empty seats on a consistent basis.

Also, I hate to admit this. Half the reason (at least half, I think) women's MMA got even a touch of fame is because Gina Carano was a good looking girl. Was she even the best? She was relatively good. However, she wasn't the best.

The audience is predominantly male in the ages of 18-40. Yeah, we appreciate good competition. The women's division isn't providing good fights consistently enough to warrant keeping them.
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Old 03-13-2011, 09:53 AM   #14 (permalink)
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So its a unanimous belief that after SF contracts are up it will be pushed out. Pity really.
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Sadly, I have to agree with the gentlemen above. It won't live because it's neither good right now on a business standpoint or by the fans' standpoint.

I'd like to compare it to NBA vs WNBA. NBA simply has more guys at this top level than the WNBA does. It's why the WBNA has empty seats, and a only VERY poorly run NBA organization has empty seats on a consistent basis.

Also, I hate to admit this. Half the reason (at least half, I think) women's MMA got even a touch of fame is because Gina Carano was a good looking girl. Was she even the best? She was relatively good. However, she wasn't the best.

The audience is predominantly male in the ages of 18-40. Yeah, we appreciate good competition. The women's division isn't providing good fights consistently enough to warrant keeping them.
At some point, Strikeforce's women division was going to transpose into a WWE Diva's type of deal, where it is more of a 5 minute sideshow of the hottest bodybuilders and athletic girls they can find and have them roll around and whatnot.
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I think once the Showtime contract is up, the women are gonne. I find that unfortunate because the best of them are good fighters, and the best fights are very entertaining. But there just aren't enough good fighters. The Coenen-Carmouche was a good fight. So was Coenen-Kaufman.

If Cyborg was willing to drop down, you could have a decent 135 women's division. Cyborg, Coenen, Kaufman, Bazsler, Carmouche ....

But none of this is relevant, because Dana has long said he won;t promote women's fights, and unless somebody compelling comes along, he won't change his mind. Compelling meaning brings their own audience a la Lesnar.
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No they ****ing don't.

It's actually an embarrassment to the sport.

I might have to strangle Dana if he sells out.

That Coenen vs that gorilla dyke was probably one of the worst displays of fighting I've ever seen. The punches from full mount were the absolute epitome of little girly punches.


I'd tolerate a junior division with kids before I tolerate women.
I personally enjoy watching cyborg beat some other women's ass for 3 rounds. But that's just me.
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No they ****ing don't.

It's actually an embarrassment to the sport.

I might have to strangle Dana if he sells out.

That Coenen vs that gorilla dyke was probably one of the worst displays of fighting I've ever seen. The punches from full mount were the absolute epitome of little girly punches.


I'd tolerate a junior division with kids before I tolerate women.
Wow... Coenen/Carmouche was probably the second best fight on the card. Carnouche's gnp needs improvement but Coenen did ride out three rounds of it to pull off a slick triangle. It was a good fight and it wasn't the first women's mma fight I have found entertaining.

Women's mma is behind the guys mma because they haven't had a venue for it. You give them the same chance and you will start to get real skilled and athletic fighters in there. And they deserve that chance.

And, by the by, Carmouche's GNP was at least attempting to inflict harm and wasn't say Chael's "Please God Don't Stand Me Up" chops to Anderson.
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No they ****ing don't.

It's actually an embarrassment to the sport.

I might have to strangle Dana if he sells out.

That Coenen vs that gorilla dyke was probably one of the worst displays of fighting I've ever seen. The punches from full mount were the absolute epitome of little girly punches.


I'd tolerate a junior division with kids before I tolerate women.
Yeah it was like I was watching Jake Shields from mount so girly.

Strikeforce, Bellator, and smaller orgs will continue to have womens fights.
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No they ****ing don't.

It's actually an embarrassment to the sport.

I might have to strangle Dana if he sells out.

That Coenen vs that gorilla dyke was probably one of the worst displays of fighting I've ever seen. The punches from full mount were the absolute epitome of little girly punches.

I'd tolerate a junior division with kids before I tolerate women.
I agree, but I think you are a little overboard. They aren't an "embarrassment to the sport".

But if it took the UFC that long to have 145 and 135 divisions because the divisions have been too thin...then why on earth would they install a womens division?

Personally, I don't find the fights that entertaining. And the divisions are too thin to be credible.

They will stay on SF...and if a merge happens I think and I hope they will get rid of them.
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