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Old 03-13-2011, 03:33 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Daley is such a baby and a poor loser.
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Old 03-13-2011, 04:01 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Paul would be wise to STFU.

He'll put way more $$$ in his own pockets fighting for White/Zuffa than any other promotion on the face of the earth.

Daley's comments have all the merit of a player in the NFL threatening to go play in Europe or Canada.

By all means...
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Old 03-13-2011, 04:17 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I do beleive Dana will make a compromise with Daley
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Old 03-13-2011, 04:17 PM   #14 (permalink)
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He may have every right to choose who he works for but he has no rational complaint for having been fired in the first place and in my opinion he should be kissing their arses and begging forgiveness for his actions.

I wrote this in a previous thread already, but it was kind of off topic in reply to a single post and got lost in the mass posting reaction to Zuffa buying Strikeforce but for the record.....

He was 100% in the wrong, heat of the moment or not.

The UFC is a massive organisation trying to expand and make mma the number one sport in the world, one of the major stumbling blocks to making UFC/MMA a mainstream product is notions and public perception of the sport being barbaric and 'human cock fighting'

Daley's attempted sucker punch was attempted assault and the actions of a thug (the type of actions that support the notion of mma being barbaric human cock fighting)

Daley is a trained fighter and his hands are deadly weapons, he would be treated as having used a deadly weapon if he attacked someone in the street because of his fighting skills, so I don't accept comparisons with brawls in other sports like Ice Hockey/Football/Soccer/Basketball whatever.

The key difference is Daley is an experienced and trained martial artist and as such he is a lethal weapon his sucker punch on Koshcheck could have could serious damage had he not failed to properly connect and it was a disgusting act.

I have no problem with Dana White or the UFC taking a hard line zero tolerance approach with him for what he did (it is much worse than what Herring did before the bell after being kissed I feel also)

I think the door should be open in the future to him, but he should be totally apologetic and remorseful for what he did and he has to respect his role as an mma fighter in presenting the image of mma and mma fighters if he ever wants to be accepted back in to the UFC.

The only way I see it happening is if he does this and his performances make him the greatest in his division and public demand becomes so huge to see him versus the current UFC champ in his weight at such time that it simply has to be done.
The difference is the intentions of that sucker punch were not to knock Kos out or cause significant damage. That is obvious and clear as day. You say he failed to connect properly, yes, but on purpose. That sucker punch was more of a bitch slap, like a "**** you koscheck, ping". Clearly he didnt load up on the punch. Paul Daley with such highly touted striking could have quite easily loaded up and sparked koscheck out with a free shot, but that was not his intention.

And you can say what you want about professional fighters being trained fighters and having this code of respect (which is nonsense as far as I'm concerned) but Eric Cantona running and throwing a diving, flying kick into one of the fans with studded boots on is a worse offense than Daleys bitch slap, sorry sucker punch on Kos. Roy Keane intentionally ending another players career with a horrendous tackle is also worse and IMO, he should have been booted from the sport.

You can't say that Daleys actions should have resulted in him getting charged for assault and then defend the likes of cantonas and keanes actions simply because they are playing a different sport.
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A little perspective here, it was barely a punch.
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Daley is entitled to do as he wishes...

Let him go earn accolades in Shark Fights or Titan Fighting Championships.

The guy seriously has taken too many shots to his own cranium in training. Low IQ all-around: Fighting, interviews, personal actions. Let him disappear. No one will miss him. One dimensional strikers with no ground game are a dime a dozen...
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The difference is the intentions of that sucker punch were not to knock Kos out or cause significant damage. That is obvious and clear as day. You say he failed to connect properly, yes, but on purpose. That sucker punch was more of a bitch slap, like a "**** you koscheck, ping". Clearly he didnt load up on the punch. Paul Daley with such highly touted striking could have quite easily loaded up and sparked koscheck out with a free shot, but that was not his intention.

And you can say what you want about professional fighters being trained fighters and having this code of respect (which is nonsense as far as I'm concerned) but Eric Cantona running and throwing a diving, flying kick into one of the fans with studded boots on is a worse offense than Daleys bitch slap, sorry sucker punch on Kos. Roy Keane intentionally ending another players career with a horrendous tackle is also worse and IMO, he should have been booted from the sport.

You can't say that Daleys actions should have resulted in him getting charged for assault and then defend the likes of cantonas and keanes actions simply because they are playing a different sport.

The difference sport is a key factor though, martial artist are expected to have a very different level of respect/restraint in these types of circumstances and such actions are frowned upon much more in the world of martial arts.

The fact that the UFC has spent years marketing itself in a fashion to escape the early connotations of it being a brutal and barbaric sport mean the powers that be within the organisation are going to (rightfully) take a very hard line on any such acts also.

I never said Daley should have been charged with assault, I said had he landed and caused damage he would have been.

Ok you can argue the level of intent to harm, and obviously he was not loading up looking to tear his head of, but his intentions were to land a significant enough strike on Kosheck via his frustration at the fashion of his loss and had he actually connected with that he from the angle of attack and amount of force thrown he still would have caused sufficent damage.

The sport in which such events occur does make a difference of course, a scuffle or two on the Ice Rink during a hockey match is pretty much acceptable and it is not frowned upon entirely on the rugby field so long as they do not result in severe injury.

Martial arts is different, its a basic and fundamental unwritten rule for any martial artist that such conduct is not acceptable, I'm sure if you have done any martial arts yourself you would have had it drilled into you a thousand times....this is another reason why the reaction to sucker punches (bitch slaps even if this is what you prefer to label Daley's strike) are seen to be so unacceptable.

I have even said, that because of the minimal level of damage caused the door should be left open to Daley to return to the UFC some day if he were to warrant a place via his results (but I feel he is not playing the game and refusing to take the remorseful stance he should take in order to repair whatever damage his actions caused to the sport and the UFC's marketing campaign)

As for Cantona, again no real damage was caused (he probably hurt himself as much) his kick was more amusing than deadly as it was poorly executed and he fell backwards onto an advertising board (although I believe he left some stud marks on Simmons)

Had he caused significant damage he no doubt would also have been charged with assault though, like Duncan Ferguson was (I believe he served time in jail for punching an opponent on field)

My point was the level of acceptance is different by the viewing audience in football/hockey compared to mma and certainly by the UFC compared to the FA or FIFA (as these footballing bodies do not have negative images of brutality to contend with and are not pushing to have their sport licensed in certain states/countries)

Zidane's head but was stupid, but made to look worse than it worse by Materazzi diving to the floor knowing he would gain advantage to his team by getting Zidane sent off.

The Keane incident you mention, yes that was a disgrace and I would also throw Ben Thatchers elbow on Pedro Mendez into the equations for examples of outrageous football violence.

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Fighters that knock people the fook out will always rock my world. Daley might be a bit juvinile. A bit hot headed. BUT, god damn, he knocks fools out like nobody else can. It's beautiful to watch. I love him.
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I'm just annoyed Daley didn't knock out Koscheck with that punch. Also if Daley beats Diaz and leaves for BAMMA it will be bittersweet for the Zuffa.
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I'm just annoyed Daley didn't knock out Koscheck with that punch. Also if Daley beats Diaz and leaves for BAMMA it will be bittersweet for the Zuffa.
You have to understand -- we, mma geeks on a messageboard might care...

But, Daley going to BAMMA to fight other fringe fighters will go completely unnoticed in the grand scheme of things.
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