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Old 03-13-2011, 06:20 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Fighters that knock people the fook out will always rock my world. Daley might be a bit juvinile. A bit hot headed. BUT, god damn, he knocks fools out like nobody else can. It's beautiful to watch. I love him.
Yes, he is one of the more exciting fighters in mma.

He is one of my favoured fighters, as I have mentioned before I have met him and trained with him when he used to hold Muay Thai seminars at my former thai boxing club.

He is an English fighter and I have always supported him and wanted him to win whenever I have watched him fight.

I'm not hating on him by any means.

I'm also not some squeamish little girl who shrieks at the sight of unorganised violence. I have been to hundreds of boxing and martial arts events over the years and I have seen such moments and outburts numerous times, I am well aware that in the grand scheme of things they are not THAT big of a deal.

I'm also more than aware that generally, even though the basic principals of martial arts and combat sports frown on such actions in real terms fans and people involved in martial arts see these things on a semi regular basis and it generally is sweep under the carpet without too much dust being kicked up.

It is still different from hockey/football whatever sport and especially when displayed on such a high level via a world wide pay per view it is going to project a negative image and it must surely be understood why dana and the ufc took such a hard line due to their need to market the image of UFC to become a mainstream presentable sport?!?

I just wish Daley would have played the game a little better, held his hands up more and expressed a greater level of remorse for his actions. Even now I look at his facebook and he is running his mouth instead of making the type of moves and saying the type of things that long term could/would see his return to the UFC.

The shame is not only will he be unable to test his skills further at the highest level of his sport (and I assume maximise his income) but we as fans will also be missing out because we will not be able to see him show casing his skills on the biggest cards against the biggest names.

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I'm just annoyed Daley didn't knock out Koscheck with that punch. Also if Daley beats Diaz and leaves for BAMMA it will be bittersweet for the Zuffa.
I doubt it will.

Zuffa will probably love it if Daley knocks Diaz out in impressive style because it will generate more interest for Strike force which will only benefit them.

They can also maintain their official stance on the subject of Daley so its win win for them more than bitter sweet in my opinion.

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Old 03-13-2011, 06:25 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Im siding with Daley right here , if Dana doesnt guarantee him a contract with the UFC after the SF one is over then why would he put money in Dana's pocket only to be cast out months later , BAMMA and Japan ( god rest them ) after they sort out the disaster will be more than happy to acquire his skills and name.

I say emergency meeting with Dana or no fight.
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Im siding with Daley right here , if Dana doesnt guarantee him a contract with the UFC after the SF one is over then why would he put money in Dana's pocket only to be cast out months later , BAMMA and Japan ( god rest them ) after they sort out the disaster will be more than happy to acquire his skills and name.

I say emergency meeting with Dana or no fight.
People are acting like Daley is doing this for free lol.
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The difference sport is a key factor though, martial artist are expected to have a very different level of respect/restraint in these types of circumstances and such actions are frowned upon much more in the world of martial arts.
Says who, where is this rule that people who train to fight for a living have to follow this direct rule and code of conduct? I don't care if they are different sports. They are all highly trained athletes and at the same time, also human.

What if Eric Cantona had done the exact same action if he was a fighter and tried to assault a fan in the crowd? Would the rules suddenly change then because he competes in a different sport? I dont see how you can defend such actions of regardless if what sport they are in.

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The fact that the UFC has spent years marketing itself in a fashion to escape the early connotations of it being a brutal and barbaric sport mean the powers that be within the organisation are going to (rightfully) take a very hard line on any such acts also.
Years and years of marketing to escape these barbaric connotations, yet they still have the fighters compete in a locked steel cage and still have the same horrible, heavy metal music and horrible introductions for each UFC event.....

What would happen if Anderson Silva had done a Paul Daley? Would Dana have kicked him out to? I don't think so

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I never said Daley should have been charged with assault, I said had he landed and caused damage he would have been.

Ok you can argue the level of intent to harm, and obviously he was not loading up looking to tear his head of, but his intentions were to land a significant enough strike on Kosheck via his frustration at the fashion of his loss and had he actually connected with that he from the angle of attack and amount of force thrown he still would have caused sufficent damage.
His intentions to land a significant strike were just as equal to Cantona's intentions to land a significant strike to an innocent fan. yet they both failed to cause any real damage. You say Cantona's kick was humerous, he missed and he caused no real damage so it shouldn't matter, but you then criticise Daley for the exact same thing. Daley was frustrated at koscheck;s trash talk (which koscheck said he didn't want to repeat and were a lot worse than a yo momma joke), Cantona was frustrated about the red card and the trash talk from a near by fan, they both reacted. Yet Cantona's kick was humerous and didnt really matter because he caused no damage. Same thing with Paul.
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The sport in which such events occur does make a difference of course, a scuffle or two on the Ice Rink during a hockey match is pretty much acceptable and it is not frowned upon entirely on the rugby field so long as they do not result in severe injury.
I dont watch Hockey and have never understood why they scrap and some how they get away with this behaviour and it is perfectly acceptable. I dont watch much rugby either, but I didnt realise that fights break out often in the sport. I dont see why it should be one rule for one sport and a different rule for another. As I said before, they're all trained athletes and human beings, their actions should be perceived equally.

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Martial arts is different, its a basic and fundamental unwritten rule for any martial artist that such conduct is not acceptable, I'm sure if you have done any martial arts yourself you would have had it drilled into you a thousand times....this is another reason why the reaction to sucker punches (bitch slaps even if this is what you prefer to label Daley's strike) are seen to be so unacceptable.
Where is this unwritten rule of honour and respect? MMA and the UFC isn't a Bruce Lee movie. Koscheck repeatedly talking smack in his opponents ear during the fight should also be frowned upon by other martial artists then. I don't buy into this unwritten rule of respect and honour that all fighters are told to obey. I'm sure footballers are also told to respect the other teams players and fans too and that violence is unacceptable.

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I have even said, that because of the minimal level of damage caused the door should be left open to Daley to return to the UFC some day if he were to warrant a place via his results (but I feel he is not playing the game and refusing to take the remorseful stance he should take in order to repair whatever damage his actions caused to the sport and the UFC's marketing campaign)
Daley was remorseful and very apologetic the day after the incident. He said that Dana didnt even phone him or tell him face to face that he had been sacked. instead he found out over the internet or some thing. I think Daley took Dana Whites actions personal and he's obviously a stubborn dude. I cant stand Dana White myself, so I can reason with Daleys recent out burst tbh.

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As for Cantona, again no real damage was caused (he probably hurt himself as much) his kick was more amusing than deadly as it was poorly executed and he fell backwards onto an advertising board (although I believe he left some stud marks on Simmons)
Responded to this earlier.

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Had he caused significant damage he no doubt would also have been charged with assault though, like Duncan Ferguson was (I believe he served time in jail for punching an opponent on field)

My point was the level of acceptance is different by the viewing audience in football/hockey compared to mma and certainly by the UFC compared to the FA or FIFA (as these footballing bodies do not have negative images of brutality to contend with and are not pushing to have their sport licensed in certain states/countries)

Zidane's head but was stupid, but made to look worse than it worse by Materazzi diving to the floor knowing he would gain advantage to his team by getting Zidane sent off.

The Keane incident you mention, yes that was a disgrace and I would also throw Ben Thatchers elbow on Pedro Mendez into the equations for examples of outrageous football violence.
Again, I dont see why different sports should have a different set of rules and different expectations from the fans and other players. Cantona's flying kick is praised by the majority of fans and seen as cool, yet if he did the same thing as an MMA fighter he would be hated and frowned upon. I just can;t reason with that logic
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People are acting like Daley is doing this for free lol.
Daley will make money , Dana WILL MAKE MORE MONEY.

Thats what it comes down to, Why fight for a guy who isnt going to throw you a bone ?

I think Daley is being extremely smart here using this as leverage.
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What the **** is BAMMA?

Paul Daley is an idiot and an immature child, plain and simple. I have no interest in seeing him fight after the cheap shot, and subsequently, these comments.

I'm actually a bit put off by Joe Rogan backing this jackass up.
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Daley will make money , Dana WILL MAKE MORE MONEY.

Thats what it comes down to, Why fight for a guy who isnt going to throw you a bone ?

I think Daley is being extremely smart here using this as leverage.
I kind of agree with you. But whatever Pauls views, it makes sense for him to take the fight. Sure, it'll make Zuffa money, but beating Diaz and leaving will give him some serious gravity, and piss Zuffa off, no end. So, even if the UFC plan to dump him, taking the Diaz fight is a must.
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What the **** is BAMMA?

Paul Daley is an idiot and an immature child, plain and simple. I have no interest in seeing him fight after the cheap shot, and subsequently, these comments.

I'm actually a bit put off by Joe Rogan backing this jackass up.
BAMMA is a UK organisation that would pay Daley to DOLLAR for his services, Regardless of your opinion on him people do still want to see him fight and using this Diaz situation for leverage back in the UFC is one of the best idea's he has had.

If Dana isnt going to give him a contract which he said why bother making money for the guy , if he is going to give him a contract then he can shaft Dana by scaremongering him and force him too otherwise he will apply his trade elsewhere.
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I kind of agree with you. But whatever Pauls views, it makes sense for him to take the fight. Sure, it'll make Zuffa money, but beating Diaz and leaving will give him some serious gravity, and piss Zuffa off, no end. So, even if the UFC plan to dump him, taking the Diaz fight is a must.
Lets say he loses , his stock is down and then Dana says he doesnt want him he basically will be Screwed.

By essentially black mailing Dana over this fight i believe he can engineer some way to meet Dana and agree terms of a contract extension leading him back to the UFC and if that fails dont fight Diaz keep his stock and go make money back home in England where he is loved.


Sucks for the fans yes but its the best thing to do Dana has said in the past " he wont fight in the UFC again" and reiterated that in the interview when purchasing SF.
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BAMMA is a UK organisation that would pay Daley to DOLLAR for his services, Regardless of your opinion on him people do still want to see him fight and using this Diaz situation for leverage back in the UFC is one of the best idea's he has had.

If Dana isnt going to give him a contract which he said why bother making money for the guy , if he is going to give him a contract then he can shaft Dana by scaremongering him and force him too otherwise he will apply his trade elsewhere.
I disagree that the mass of people who watch UFC want to see Daley fight. He is 2-1 in the UFC and his performance against Koscheck was terrible.

Sure, a minority of UFC watchers may want to see him fight, but the minority doesn't matter much in this case.

This is the bottom line:

If he doesn't want to fight for Dana White, then he can leave. The UFC just acquired an entire damn fighting league. Daley lost all three rounds to Koscheck, so on what planet would Dana White be scared of the idea of Daley not fighting under him?

Another thing - Daley has come in overweight twice in his last three fights. That is embarrassing and shows a lack of dedication to the sport.

He hasn't fought impressive fighters since leaving the UFC and his record isn't much to brag about.

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