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Old 03-16-2011, 10:39 AM   #91 (permalink)
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If we think about it.

GSP is known to be

1. fairly smart
2. well prepared fighter since his serra loss

would he be that if, instead of focusing 200% on nothing else than his next fight, he would give away interview about a supposed fight that might happen?

now ask the same question, how good would he be, i mean would he be such a dominating champ if, instead of focusing 200% on his next bout, he would already be making plans to move in another weight class, preparing his body (and mind) to a task that has absolutely NO relevance whatsoever to his next fight ?

He's not "ducking", he just doesn't want to think about it because he feels that it would distract him from his goal which is beating Jake Shields.

I wouldn't be in his head right now because of all the bother he might have from people who keep asking him about andy superfight, dragging his attention away from his next bout.

He might even lose his next bout because of that lack of focus, induced by all the hype about a fight that might or might not happen.

He made that mistake once, and learned from it.

I mean he got nothing to prove to anyone, it's not like the WW were full of nobodies, he won against great names and basically dominated and won every single round for years.

But how would it help him to blah about andy fight instead of getting his mind properly set towards winning against Shields?
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Old 03-16-2011, 11:40 AM   #92 (permalink)
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Well I guess there's no more excuses for GSP to back out of this fight. It seems like Anderson really wants this, because whoever takes it will most likely be considered the premier fighter of this generation.
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Old 03-16-2011, 01:52 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Id say you're on your own. Money isnt the issue i think the fight details are , weight , Championship fight etc etc.

Both camps want to have an edge and i think the only fair thing is meeting in the middle , the money will be good anyways and he will receive a massive bonus regardless.
It does seem pretty unsupported by other people, but I did find one person who has the same thought I did:

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Mar 10, 2011 - Dana White stated that if Georges St. Pierre defeats Jake Shields at UFC 129, he will move up to 185 pounds and fight Anderson Silva. He may be right, but the issue is far from settled. White apparently went ahead and made this proclamation without consulting St. Pierre, who appeared cool to the idea when asked about it on the UFC on Versus 3 post-fight show.

Fans have salivated over this fight for years, but there is one thing that truly stands in its way: money. If Dana White wants this fight, he is going to have to pay a lot to get it.

A Georges St. Pierre vs. Anderson Silva super fight is a monster revenue event for the UFC. UFC 129 in Toronto is sold out with a reported gate of $11 million. A GSP vs. Anderson Silva fight in Toronto would sell even more tickets at higher prices, and given the UFC's rumored deal with Stubhub, they would then pocket even more money on the secondary market. All in all, the company would probably gross upwards of $17-20 million at the gate alone.

Estimating PPV buys is always difficult, but this fight would do a huge number. The only question is whether it would be the number one buyrate of all time or fall in just behind UFC 100. Given the fact that Anderson Silva just headlined a show against another Brazilian that did over 700,000 buys, I am comfortable estimating that this super fight will at the very least tie the UFC 100 record of 1.6 million buys. Industry sources suggest the UFC takes about $24 in revenue per PPV buy, which means that if my buyrate estimate is correct, PPV revenue would total $38.4 million.

The revenue story doesn't end there. The UFC takes in significant sponsorship revenue from Bud Light, Harley Davidson, Tapout, Boost Mobile, and other companies. In addition to their ongoing deals, they would be able to sell single event spots at a huge rate for a show of this magnitude, and they would also be able to make a lot of money selling in-arena sponsorship spots.

Further, although the UFC's international television deals are confidential, one can surmise that these deals bring in substantial revenue considering the large number of fans watching in Mexico, Australia, Europe, and the Philippines. Finally, the UFC also earns significant merchandise revenue at live events, with spending at prior events coming in at $16.36 per cap according to Sports Business Daily.

All told, a Georges St. Pierre vs. Anderson Silva super fight will probably gross over $60 million in revenue in a single night. Will the UFC's biggest star, Georges St. Pierre, be able to cash in?

Fans have predictably misunderstood St. Pierre's attitude regarding a potential move to 185. They believe he is "scared" or unsure about moving up. In reality, he is playing it cool in order to get the best deal possible. Who can blame him? He is the key player in the biggest fight in UFC history, he deserves a big piece of the pie.

A move to Middleweight is a huge career risk for St. Pierre. He stated that if he does move up in weight, he will put on enough muscle that moving back to 170 will no longer be an option. What happens if he loses? In order to justify his contract, he would probably be matched up against another big star in the Middleweight division. If he comes off a loss to Silva and gets matched up with the likes of Chael Sonnen or Yushin Okami, he'd be fighting wrestlers that have nearly 15 pounds on him. A loss to either one of them would mean one of the fastest falls from grace in UFC history. It is conceivable that in a period of nine months, he could end up across the table from UFC executives listening to them explain why his performance no longer justifies the millions of dollars he makes.

Georges St. Pierre is currently dominating the welterweight division and making millions of dollars in the process. He will likely be able to do that for years to come. It makes absolutely no sense for him to move up in weight unless there is a massive financial reward waiting for him.

Dana White publicly stated that $5 million is the biggest purse he's paid a fighter to date. Georges St. Pierre should make a lot more than that to move up in weight and fight a much bigger man in the biggest fight in UFC history. Would it be so outrageous for St. Pierre to ask the UFC to give him the first multi-year, guaranteed contract in UFC history in exchange for him taking such a huge risk?

After Georges St. Pierre defeats Jake Shields, the real negotiations for this fight will begin. As the parties negotiate, you'll hear a lot of empty talk about weight issues and complications regarding St. Pierre leaving his division. The real issue will be money.

For years, Dana White has castigated the sport of boxing for failing to put on the fights that fans want to see. If he's able to give the fans Georges St. Pierre vs. Anderson Silva while boxing fails to deliver Manny Pacquaio vs. Floyd Mayweather, it will serve as White's ultimate validation. If he chooses not to pay what it takes to make it happen, it will prove that he is no different than the boxing promoters he's spent years deriding.
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Old 03-17-2011, 06:01 AM   #94 (permalink)
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what bothers me here is "after GSP beats Shields", just as it was already a done deal

but with all the distraction GSP has had lately, I wouldn't count on a win over Shields that much.

GSP is no supernatural and I'm pretty sure his mind won't be 100% at the task when entering the octagon, facing Shields.

The question is: would it be enough for Shields to capitalize on? would GSP be able to fight and win despite the distraction ?

This superfight rumour and discussion are surely putting a lot of pressure on GSP's shoulders, can he handle it?

In a normal situation, I don't see GSP losing, but last time he was distracted, he lost by KO in the 1st round.

I know if I was GSP I wouldn't watch TV or pick up the phone until the fight, just to be able to concentrate and focus on it.
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what bothers me here is "after GSP beats Shields", just as it was already a done deal

but with all the distraction GSP has had lately, I wouldn't count on a win over Shields that much.

GSP is no supernatural and I'm pretty sure his mind won't be 100% at the task when entering the octagon, facing Shields.

The question is: would it be enough for Shields to capitalize on? would GSP be able to fight and win despite the distraction ?

This superfight rumour and discussion are surely putting a lot of pressure on GSP's shoulders, can he handle it?

In a normal situation, I don't see GSP losing, but last time he was distracted, he lost by KO in the 1st round.

I know if I was GSP I wouldn't watch TV or pick up the phone until the fight, just to be able to concentrate and focus on it.
I don't think GSP will be distracted.

He dealt with being on the TUF and all of Koschecks antics trying to draw him out of his comfort zone very well and focused on the job at hand (ok I know Kos was the job at hand but still)

I think he will have learned form the Serra fight and in spite of an internet buzz, tv hype about a fight with Silva I have no doubt his focus is 100% on Shields (in fact his responses to anything regarding Silva supports this as he really refuses to engage in much conversation about it)

I expect to see nothing less than GSP at his best for this fight and I expect nothing less than a dominant victory.

The Serra fight was careless, he was young and had never been outfought so his confidence was sky high and he was caught with a single punch much like he was caught with a sub against Hughes after dominating.

We have yet to see GSP be out worked or out fought in a match (except early against BJ which he won and corrected for the rematch)

I think he has shown great ability to learn from his mistakes and I do not expect him to repeat them any time soon.
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Old 03-17-2011, 09:06 AM   #96 (permalink)
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I hope you're right about it, if he's 100% into it, there's no reason why he shouldn't win.

I've watched most of UFC/GSP fights this week, specially the loss against serra, the GSP then is no comparaison to today's GSP for sure. Nonetheless I still think that dealing with this latent "hype" for the superfight while training for another, lesser fight has to be a distraction of some sort, at this level of notoriety, we really don't know how much private life these guys still have.

I for one really like GSP as both a fighter and a person, I guess these are the types of fighters that I like, fairly humble yet aware of their worth (i.e. realistic), hard working, smart, and class acts all the way.

But as much as I like watching GSP, I still believe a fight vs Silva will be no walk in the park and putting together a gameplan to counter the spider should be the result of a weeks long brainstorming.

What is exciting about this bout is that it's some sort of "natural talent vs intelligence/hard work" like "Jimmy hendrix (silva) vs Joe satriani (GSP)"

They both put on great shows at some exceptions (the Kos fight, which seemed to me more like a public humiliation ala "look I hit you with the exact same move for 25 minutes and there's nothing you can do about it", or the Maia fight for silva, or at least the last 3 rounds where silva were obviously kinda "bored")

but truly, Silva starts with a HUGE advantage, Weight, size, reach and stand up technique (GSP is good there too but I don't see him nearly as good as silva which, basically, is an alien)

as I see it now
it'll all come down to how and if silva can stop GSP's takedowns, and he has the tools to do it, and probably catch GSP on the way in

but with GSP, everything is possible and maybe we'll see him standing against silva, he certainly is a very high level striker himself, but really I don't see how GSP could win this other than rashaading a decision maybe, IF he can get andy down (yet if he can't, nobody can, the Sonnen fight is somewhat irrelevant as silva was then hurt)

And this is what is exciting about this fight, GSP clearly comes in as the underdog, and he's very good at surprising people (i.e. standing against KOS for 5 rounds) pulling out techniques out of his hat, so who knows what he could set up preparing against the spider?

I suspect the post fight discussion to be at least as heated as the current ones, because there would be tons of excuses for the loser

if Silva loses
- GSP played "safe"
- Silva's too old

if GSP loses
- silva was too big
- not his natural weightclass

blah blah blah

But I'm not seeing GSP winning this one by being safe, the longer you hang with the spider, the more likely you are to get caught by some flying kick/punch/elbow of some sort.
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