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Old 02-12-2007, 05:06 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Since when is Chuck good in the clinch?? He never throws knees or does anything in the clinch??
Perhaps I did not explain that well enough. Chuck is really on good at one thing offensively. Which is his overhand right. How he is good in the clinch is he keeps himself in a safe position and can punch his way out of the clinch.

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He is a kickboxer, and a wrestler that doesn't use his wrestling(other than his sprawl. But Chuck's takedown defense is only good when his opponent tries to shoot. Rampage doesn't shoot, he picks you up and drops you. There is no defense for that.
Chuck's take down defense is much more than a sprawl, he has a freakish ability to stand up when he is on the bottom. He is reminds me of BJ Penn in that aspect. And if you have wrestled before you would know there are many defense's for getting slammed. 1) don't let him get behind you or under you, and you will not get slammed. 2)if they do get a hold of you drop your weight to the ground.

If you watch Chuck vs Randy one you will notice him fighting for clinch position and he does pretty well considering how good Randy is. You will see Randy put Chuck on his back, then Chuck uses 1 leg to stand up to get the fight on the feet.

To beat Rampage Chuck has to fight a much smarter fight than the first fight. Rampage is a brawler, Chuck is a counter puncher. Taking into account Rampages ability to get hammered, Chuck needs to get him more preoccupied than he did in the first fight, and over all fight smarter. Just like Dana said when he announced the first fight and he will be able to win.
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Old 02-12-2007, 05:32 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Chuck has the power to KO any man in this world, and Rampage is by no means unknockoutable

Chuck is way more precise with his hands nowadays, has ALOT better footwork and has just improved in leaps and bounds since the first fight, Unfortunately, I cannot say the same about Rampage
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Id say about 75% of you guys think Chuck will win the rematch with Rampage. But not one of you guys have given a good reason how. Most of you guys say " Chuck will eventually catch him"..But Rampage got a crazy chin. It wasnt the punches from Wandy or Shogun that hurt him, it was the knees and clinch work. And Chuck doesnt have any of those weapons. Rampage is a bad matchup for Chuck and I just dont see him being able to beat him. I think the fight will be closer than the first fight but I think Rampage will finish Chuck in the second or third round. But I wouldnt be surpised if it went the distance. But either way I dont see anyway Chuck leaves this fight with the belt.

Yea this is exactly how the fight plays out in my head and for the exact same reasons. But Chuck has gotten better and I dobelieve he will be able to catch rampage a few clean times in the cage. But if Chuck can't KO rampage standing, I dont' think he has a chance. And with Rampage's iron chin...it's hard to imagine how it would happen. I think chuck needs to practice his combos because 2 solid shots just won't do it.
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This is how I see it happening.

Chuck will circle and counter, using leg kicks to slow down Rampage. As long as Rampage doesn't take Chuck down more than 2 or 3 times I think Chuck will eventually catch him with a few punches and/or kicks to finish him off. Chuck's cardio will need to be outstanding because this could definitely go 3 or 4 rounds. I don't see it going the distance though.
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Chuck will punch him in the face until he quits. Eastman stood with Rampage pretty well. Rampage knocked Eastman out in the clinch. Chuck won't stand there in a clinch with Rampage. Chuck is on a roll and unless Rampage ups his game considerably from the Eastman fight I don't see a win in Rampages future.

*Psst* A little tip...whoever this guy says is going to win, bet against him. I've never seen him get it right, not once
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Anyone that is absolutely 100% sure that either fighter will win this bout is out of their mind.

I believe that this will be chucks biggest test as champ, but if your not got chuck as a favourite then you've been livin in a cave for the last year.

In any UFC fight there is a punchers chance, and a Chuck punch is more than a chance, its a liability for Rampage, one huge right and Rampage could be wobbled.

So what kind of bets do ya think will be set out for this one?
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Old 02-12-2007, 10:33 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I notice that a lot, I mean A LOT of people are kinda just shrugging Rampage off...like he won't test Chuck in the slightest.

Now granted, Chuck's hand are very precise and his footwork has improved...but he still gets sloppy. There's no denying that.

Rampage will continue to improve in his training as well. Don't forget: his fight with Marvin was his octagon debut, and he hadn't faught in quite some time. You can train in the cage all you want, but it's a different level when the lights are shining brightly on you...and a monster is standing across from you, ready to smash you.

He's not just gonna NOT train to Liddell's strengths. Don't forget about that.

Now, that being said...Rampage is a monster in the clinch. From what I've seen of Liddell while in that position, he's not the strongest. He isn't horrible there, he just doesn't do much besides hang on and hope for a break. If the break happens (which it usually does), Chuck quickly throws after seperation.

Rampage is NO DOUBT physically stronger than Liddell. Rampage's dirty boxing skills are far superior to Chuck's. THAT my friends, is where Quinton will have to do the most damage. Break him down via knees to the body...and the punching power will decrease considerably. Rich Franklin / Anderson Silva anyone...??

Now, lemme touch on another issue here. Rampage may not have a "Mark Hunt" chin, but his is certainly not bad. He can sustain some HEAVY shots. Granted, Rampage will get tested there by Chuck, but like I said...he'll know who he's fighting, so it's not like he not going to expect it. Rampage has seen Chuck's looping bombs once before. Chuck has that nasty habit of BAM! one punch and it's nighty-night. Well, if you remember...he didn't finish Tito with a single punch, it was that flurry while Tito was going fetal that stopped the 2nd fight. So, I don't think Rampage will be finished, it will have to be a flurry of punches, if Rampage gets wobbled, and backs up into the fence...or falls. That's the only way I see Quinton being stopped, is that barrage of shots while on the fence / ground, and the ref will step in. No one punch shots.

Lastly, there's always that mat factor. If Rampage can make this fight hit the mat, he has a GREAT chance of winning. All the hardcore Liddell fans will be REAL nervous if that happens. Rampage is CRAZY strong...and I think could hold Chuck down there. Granted, Chuck stood up against Randy, Tito, Horn...all those guys..but I STRONGLY believe that Rampage is just physically stronger than all of them. In my eyes, Quinton can hold him on the mat longer than any of the previously mentioned...and just pound him out from there. We all know Chuck's G-n-P defense can't be THAT good, cause he never stays down on the mat that long.

We MAY see a changing of the guard at 205 people. But then again, we may not. Just have to see when the time comes. We can talk all this strategy, and who is stronger than who, blah blah...but we're not in there fighting. And you know what they say, "Gameplan goes out the window the first time you get punched in the face."

Should be AWESOME to watch though. Alright...I'm done rambling.
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Old 02-12-2007, 11:26 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I can see Liddell winning if he is Jackson's second fight in the UFC.

Liddell is much better than he was 3yrs ago and he doesn't have to deal with a 10min first round. However, it has been awhile since Liddell has faced a well-rounded fighter like Jackson.

It will be a good fight regardless of the outcome.
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Id say about 75% of you guys think Chuck will win the rematch with Rampage. But not one of you guys have given a good reason how. Most of you guys say " Chuck will eventually catch him"..But Rampage got a crazy chin. It wasnt the punches from Wandy or Shogun that hurt him, it was the knees and clinch work. And Chuck doesnt have any of those weapons. Rampage is a bad matchup for Chuck and I just dont see him being able to beat him. I think the fight will be closer than the first fight but I think Rampage will finish Chuck in the second or third round. But I wouldnt be surpised if it went the distance. But either way I dont see anyway Chuck leaves this fight with the belt.
I'm a chuck fan, but I have to agree that Rampage has a really good shot. It just seems to be that Chuck's time has to be running out. He's 37 and age has to be catching up with him soon. The reason his striking has been so effective because of his crazy handspeed. I just don't know how much longer it's going to be there. Chuck also has a tendency to leave himself open for shots when getting up after a takedown. Tito can't hurt you much then but Rampage sure can.
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someone compared eastmen to ortiz...that bothers me
if rampage trains for the clinch thatd be his best bet
it he tries to shoot...he becomes like every other fight chucks had recently against guys who are argueablly better then rampage at shooting i.e. randy/tito

the thing is from the clinch chuck always push's off and counter...lather..rinse ..repeat..if he can do that hell be strait

i think the octagon makes the biggest difference honestly...more circular..no corners for chuck to get caught in and its bigger...more room for him to back up
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its gonna be an awesome fight but i dont think jacksons comfortable enough in the octagon yet

so i cant wait for iceman/rampage 3 (or two depending if your going via UFC counts)
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