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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 03-20-2011, 11:17 PM Thread Starter
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Bones vs. the Heavyweights?

I don't see anyone challenging JJ at 205. Yeah yeah yeah, that's what they all say when a new 205 champ is crowned, but JJ does seem like a different kind of animal.

How would this man child fare against the heavyweights? Let's project into the future, say a year from now, assuming JJ puts on 15 lbs. of lean mass, and doesn't cut, walking into the cage at 245 lbs.

1. Cain: Cain's wrestling is fantastic. His hands are the fastest not only at HW, but among the fastest in combat sports. Without exaggeration, his hand speed is reminiscent of a young Tyson's. I give Cain the decisive advantage for now. In 1.5 years, JJ has the potential to improve to a frightening degree.

2. JDS: his striking is ferocious. He hits very hard and has a granite chin. His TDD is unproven against great wrestlers however. Even odds.

3. Carwin: his gas tank is perhaps the smallest of any top ranked MMA fighter. After 3 minutes, Carwin would be helpless against JJ, assuming JJ could survive Carwin's boxing until then. 40/60 in favor of JJ.

4. Brock: Brock does not like to get hit. Right now, Brock's incredible size gives him the wrestling edge. JJ's striking could easily frustrate Brock, however, and I think Brock would be surprised by JJ's unique combination of strength and reach. 35/65 in favor of JJ.

5. Mur. Yikes!

6. Cro Cop. Yikes!

7. Roy Nelson. Yikes!

8. Big Nog. Bog Nog gets retired by JJ.

9. Couture. Intriguing.
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Cain would destroy him, Brock would destroy him, carwin would destory him, Jds would beat him provided he doesnt get take down, Roy would have a great chance as would mur.

Couture is starting to slow down now, but I think he would do a lot better in the clinch and dirty boxing aspect of the fight...the question is, could he get on the inside?
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Jones reminds me of LHW overeem only with less power, more explosion and just a bit more intuitive in the ring. If he packs on muscle and gets to 265, the guy will be the new Overeem in the UFC, and he'll keep his explosiveness IMO. He'd beast HW if he Overeem'd it.
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Honestly i think your getting a bit ahead of yourself now. Cain would just be all over JBJ, he would completely dominate him. As much as i do not like Lesnar, he too would dominate him. Purely because of his size and wrestling. JBJ is great, but he's way to small to compete with them. He just not have the size, obviously since he is not a HW. And like you said Carwin does not have the biggest tank, but he would knock JBJ the fug out. And as far as the other HW's go, i honestly give guys like Nelson, Mir and JDS the edge. You honestly just cannot compare them, the weight advantage would play a massive role. Once Nelson is on top of you, or someone like Nelson, JBJ just would not have a chance at getting up. I know he's got such an unsual style, but he would just get straight up dominated.
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EDIT: Nevermind.

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Cain and JDS would have the best chance. Cain hand speed is good but NOWHERE close to iron Mike's though.
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How would this man child fare against the heavyweights? Let's project into the future, say a year from now, assuming JJ puts on 15 lbs. of lean mass, and doesn't cut, walking into the cage at 245 lbs.
I watched him on MMA Live on Thursday, and he said he weighed 212 lbs. Just thought I'd mention it.

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Jones has three things going for him at LHW in my opinion -

A) He has very good greco, assisting with his takedowns and giving him and advantage in the clinch.

B) Extreme height, strength and reach advantage. At least in the Shogun fight, but it will be just as pronounced against everyone else he is likely to fight other than possibly Forrest

C) His striking is unpredictable.


Now lets look at this objectively -

His greco is solid, but it is significantly more effective based on his physical attributes. The same goes with his standup, which isnt actually very good at all, he just manages to get away with it because of his incredible reach advantage and the his explosivity/speed.

However, if Jones did move up his fundamental advantage (his physical attributes) significantly decreases. He would NOT be able to ragdoll Carwin, Cain or Brock from the clinch. Nor would his reach advantage be as noticable nor as effective against someone like JDS or Mir. Overeem would DESTROY him.

I think if Jones went on an Overeem style bulk (though i dont think he is natually as big in terms of muscular capacity as the Reem) then he MIGHT be effective against SOME heavyweights.

I dont mean to detract from Jones, but i do not believe he would be particularly successful against the monster wrestlers in the HW division. But he is only 23, a child in MMA terms, and there is plenty of time for improvement and who knows in a couple of years i could be changing my opinion and believe that JBJ could dominate Heavyweight. But as things stand at the minute i dont give him much of a chance against the majority of the HW top 10.

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Jones has three things going for him at LHW in my opinion -

A) He has very good greco, assisting with his takedowns and giving him and advantage in the clinch.

B) Extreme height, strength and reach advantage. At least in the Shogun fight, but it will be just as pronounced against everyone else he is likely to fight other than possibly Forrest

C) His striking is unpredictable.


Now lets look at this objectively -

His greco is solid, but it is significantly more effective based on his physical attributes. The same goes with his standup, which isnt actually very good at all, he just manages to get away with it because of his incredible reach advantage and the his explosivity/speed.

However, if Jones did move up his fundamental advantage (his physical attributes) significantly decreases. He would NOT be able to ragdoll Carwin, Cain or Brock from the clinch. Nor would his reach advantage be as noticable nor as effective against someone like JDS or Mir. Overeem would DESTROY him.

I think if Jones went on an Overeem style bulk (though i dont think he is natually as big in terms of muscular capacity as the Reem) then he MIGHT be effective against SOME heavyweights.

I dont mean to detract from Jones, but i do not believe he would be particularly successful against the monster wrestlers in the HW division. But he is only 23, a child in MMA terms, and there is plenty of time for improvement and who knows in a couple of years i could be changing my opinion and believe that JBJ could dominate Heavyweight. But as things stand at the minute i dont give him much of a chance against the majority of the HW top 10.
I agree. Tho Jones is very talented and especially has great wrestling, his main advantage is his size and reach.
Many people speak of the 3rd generation but I think its BS.
He is a young hungry talented guy with killer instinct but his main advantage is still his size. if he whent to HW he would lose like any other guy IMO. he would beat some and get beaten by some.
Shogun looked like a dwarf next to him, and I honestly don't think it was Jones's talent that beat Shogun. Shogun is pretty much "3rd generation" himself being a young guy still and have been training all aspects of MMA for years.
I still believe that shogun has way more pure skill than jones, but Jones is just about twice as strong.

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