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Old 02-13-2007, 11:48 PM   #21 (permalink)
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prime vs prime i see tito winnng round 1 10-9 tito winning round 2 10-9 and ken winning the fight with some leg submissio in run 3 ken was amazing he was called the worlds most dangerous man for a reason
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Old 02-14-2007, 12:05 AM   #22 (permalink)
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have you people seen the tito ortiz and frank shamrock fight? tito was beating the shit out of frank until he gased and from that day on he vowed he would never gas again and turned himself into a cardio freak so exactly how do you see frank winning since he wouldnt be able to outlast tito knee him to the back of the head?
i wouldnt say tito was beating the shit out of frank, bc frank was doing ALOT of work on the ground, and he outmatched him on the stand up, especially during the last round. it went from being kind of an even fight to tito getting dominated lol. still one of my favorite fights of all time.
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Old 02-14-2007, 12:16 AM   #23 (permalink)
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which shamrock are we talking about? if its ken then i think tito would own him in his prime if its frank in his prime it'd be close but i'd give the win to Ortiz
Tito did fight Frank in his prime. Frank won.
Nowadays, who knows?
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Old 02-14-2007, 12:23 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Tito lost due to cardio.
First of all, I'm not a Frank Shamrock nuthugger, by any stretch of the imagination. But I'm really, really, really starting to get sick of all the TITO ORTIZ: 'CARDIO FREAK' bullshit. Where have we even seen evidence of his cardio being all that great? He sure as hell looked gassed agains Chuck last time.
He didn't lose to Frank only because of cardio, not matter what UFC says to try and sell their former champ as a contender. Fact is Frank was better standing, outworked him on the ground despite the takedowns, and ended up beating his head in.
But we always hear the story about how "Ortiz vowed he'd never gas again!" What evidence have we ever, ever seen that his cardio's so damn superior to anyone else's?
I don't blame UFC for using the whole thing as a backstory to help lend an aura to a popular fighter. But I think a lot of fans know it's just a line. At least I hope so.
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Old 02-14-2007, 12:29 AM   #25 (permalink)
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ken would get killed in his prime against tito
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Old 02-14-2007, 12:36 AM   #26 (permalink)
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ken is in my top 10 fav fighters but even i can admit that tito wins. In there primes ken was much quicker than he is now but his old style was much like tito's now. Tito is stronger than ken. So tito win the wresling and ken on his back is horrible (so is tito but it dosnt matter). Ken was great has some great fights and is a great fighter and so far looks good as a trainer in the IFL.

But tito is better.
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ken is in my top 10 fav fighters but even i can admit that tito wins. In there primes ken was much quicker than he is now but his old style was much like tito's now. Tito is stronger than ken. So tito win the wresling and ken on his back is horrible (so is tito but it dosnt matter). Ken was great has some great fights and is a great fighter and so far looks good as a trainer in the IFL.

But tito is better.
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First of all, I'm not a Frank Shamrock nuthugger, by any stretch of the imagination. But I'm really, really, really starting to get sick of all the TITO ORTIZ: 'CARDIO FREAK' bullshit. Where have we even seen evidence of his cardio being all that great? He sure as hell looked gassed agains Chuck last time.
He didn't lose to Frank only because of cardio, not matter what UFC says to try and sell their former champ as a contender. Fact is Frank was better standing, outworked him on the ground despite the takedowns, and ended up beating his head in.
But we always hear the story about how "Ortiz vowed he'd never gas again!" What evidence have we ever, ever seen that his cardio's so damn superior to anyone else's?
I don't blame UFC for using the whole thing as a backstory to help lend an aura to a popular fighter. But I think a lot of fans know it's just a line. At least I hope so.
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Old 02-14-2007, 01:37 AM   #29 (permalink)
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ya he did look REALLY bad against chuck
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Old 02-14-2007, 02:53 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I agree, he hasn't shown to have such great cardio that he is hyped to have. Anyway, Ken Shamrock would have easily defeated Tito in his prime.
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