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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 02-13-2007, 01:16 AM Thread Starter
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BJ Penn vs. Anderson Silva

In light of Anderson Silva's recent match with Lutter and his virtually non-existent takedown defense, how do you guys think he would do again BJ Penn. It's true that Silva would have a good 15-20 pounds on BJ, but I got to think that BJ has good enough striking to survive on his feet and go for the takedown. And we all know that fighting BJ on the ground is flirting with death. I know that Silva has a black belt from the Nogueria brothers, but this is BJ Penn were talking about.......he's on a whole other level.
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In light of Anderson Silva's recent match with Lutter and his virtually non-existent takedown defense, how do you guys think he would do again BJ Penn. It's true that Silva would have a good 15-20 pounds on BJ, but I got to think that BJ has good enough striking to survive on his feet and go for the takedown. And we all know that fighting BJ on the ground is flirting with death. I know that Silva has a black belt from the Nogueria brothers, but this is BJ Penn were talking about.......he's on a whole other level.


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In light of Anderson Silva's recent match with Lutter and his virtually non-existent takedown defense, how do you guys think he would do again BJ Penn. It's true that Silva would have a good 15-20 pounds on BJ, but I got to think that BJ has good enough striking to survive on his feet and go for the takedown. And we all know that fighting BJ on the ground is flirting with death. I know that Silva has a black belt from the Nogueria brothers, but this is BJ Penn were talking about.......he's on a whole other level.
This isn't all that far-fetched. If anyone could move up 2 weight classes from his natural class and be a champion it would have to be a freak of nature like BJ or GSP. If BJ would train hard and well before the fight I believe he definitely could beat Anderson Silva. If BJ could get the fight to the ground he would indeed have a decided advantage. If BJ could catch Anderson with a couple clean shots he could even KO him... That's a lot of ifs...

The reality is this. The Travis Lutter fight is not a good representation of "The Spider", though it showed that he has pretty good BJJ. Anderson Silva is an elite striker with good power and he is relentless. We would need to see the top notch BJ Penn to have a fair chance to beat an average Anderson Silva. The weight difference does mean something significant here.


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andersons knees were hurt

but if the real bj turns up ..he can beat prettymuch anyone...i think hes great but hes out of shape and underprepared alot...he wants to get away with natural talent( which he can do alot of the time) but not against anderson.
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BJ would win, at least I think he would.
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In light of Anderson Silva's recent match with Lutter and his virtually non-existent takedown defense, how do you guys think he would do again BJ Penn. It's true that Silva would have a good 15-20 pounds on BJ, but I got to think that BJ has good enough striking to survive on his feet and go for the takedown. And we all know that fighting BJ on the ground is flirting with death. I know that Silva has a black belt from the Nogueria brothers, but this is BJ Penn were talking about.......he's on a whole other level.
why do people think takedown defense is everything? doesn't anyone realize that another, very effective way to "deal" with takedowns is to go to the ground? I mean, to imply that takedown defense, and keeping the fight standing, is all that matters in the fight, ignores the ground game completely. Anderson couldnt' care less about being taken down because although he doesn't prefer it, he can use his BJJ effectively. at least to stall and tire his opponent. after that triangle, even if they got up, Lutter wouldn't have been eve close to 100%! Anderson is smart, he can take the fighte wherever it needs to go. Just because a fighter doesn't choose to stay standing, and lets himself get taken down, doesn't mean anytying. especially since in BJJ, the dominant position is actually on your back. this is a bad trend among some fans, but if your new, i'll let you know. it's true! BJJ experts will tell you, having the mount isn't as good as being underneath because you can get bucked off by a good ground guy, or even worse, i've seen kimura's, armbars and triangles--case in point--applied by the guy underneath. it is less stable to be in the mount, but on the ground, you don't have to keep any balance. Anderson didn't "get taken down" because he couldn't deal with it; he got taken down and knew he could deal with it on the ground... which he did perfectly well!!! if lutter didn't know how to defend against a triangle, he wouldh ave gotten choked out... that simple, but at the same time, did you see him escape the triangel? no...

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why do people think takedown defense is everything? doesn't anyone realize that another, very effective way to "deal" with takedowns is to go to the ground? I mean, to imply that takedown defense, and keeping the fight standing, is all that matters in the fight, ignores the ground game completely. Anderson couldnt' care less about being taken down because although he doesn't prefer it, he can use his BJJ effectively. at least to stall and tire his opponent. after that triangle, even if they got up, Lutter wouldn't have been eve close to 100%! Anderson is smart, he can take the fighte wherever it needs to go. Just because a fighter doesn't choose to stay standing, and lets himself get taken down, doesn't mean anytying. especially since in BJJ, the dominant position is actually on your back. this is a bad trend among some fans, but if your new, i'll let you know. it's true! BJJ experts will tell you, having the mount isn't as good as being underneath because you can get bucked off by a good ground guy, or even worse, i've seen kimura's, armbars and triangles--case in point--applied by the guy underneath. it is less stable to be in the mount, but on the ground, you don't have to keep any balance. Anderson didn't "get taken down" because he couldn't deal with it; he got taken down and knew he could deal with it on the ground... which he did perfectly well!!! if lutter didn't know how to defend against a triangle, he wouldh ave gotten choked out... that simple, but at the same time, did you see him escape the triangel? no...
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I completly agree with pt. I've been thinkin the same thing for awhile now. Especially since the Silva/Lutter fight when everyone was on Silva about poor takedown defense even though it didnt matter because he submitted a BJJ black belt from his back.

But in the situation wer'e talking about here I dont think the ground would be a very good place to be for Anderson seeing as how BJ's BJJ IMO is on another level from Lutter or Silvas.

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1)takedown defence is huge if your a striker with low wresting skills and no BJJ skills.

2)What people dont really think about is that Lutter had the fight won, he had Anderson mounted on the ground and was pounding away. A stoppage would have come withing another 30 seconds. What did he do? He foolishly gave up the mount postion for an attempt at an armbar. ANYBODY with some seasoning in big fights would have finished Anderson right there and then from the mount.

3)BJ beating Anderson? Possible. BJ is a VERY good striker. He is not given enough credit for that. The only reason Hughes beat him is because BJ gased and gased badly.

4)In conclusion though I think that weight is much to heavy for BJ to fight in.
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PT, I agree with alot you say but if you are fighting BJ Penn and you are the superior striker, you dont want this fight going anywhere near the ground. So takedown defense would be important because Silva would have a better chance of winning the fight on his feet than he would on the ground with a guy like BJ. And how many times have you seen a bjj guy lose to a wreslter because he was on his back all fight looking for a submission that he never gets(Joslin vs Kos).




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