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Old 03-27-2011, 06:02 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:17 PM   #32 (permalink)
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or passion
More like admiration and respect. (The passion is reserved for Brittney!)

I like the story behinf this guy: goes to college, his girlfiend gets pregnant. Forced to quit school to get a job and provide money for his family.
Starts training MMA and 3 months after that he has his first official fight.
While he is on his way to his first fight his girlfriend is giving birth and he misses this moment.
3 years later he gets a shot at the UFC LHW, after his teammate got injured and pulled out of the title fight.
Goes on to defeat a living legend and becomes the youngest UFC champ ever.

And 3 years ago nobody knew who Jon Jones was...

Some people still can't handle it.
Envy or hate?!
I can't figure it out yet...
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:23 PM   #33 (permalink)
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More like admiration and respect. (The passion is reserved for Brittney!)

I like the story behinf this guy: goes to college, his girlfiend gets pregnant. Forced to quit school to get a job and provide money for his family.
Starts training MMA and 3 months after that he has his first official fight.
While he is on his way to his first fight his girlfriend is giving birth and he misses this moment.
3 years later he gets a shot at the UFC LHW, after his teammate got injured and pulled out of the title fight.
Goes on to defeat a living legend and becomes the youngest UFC champ ever.

And 3 years ago nobody knew who Jon Jones was...

Some people still can't handle it.
Envy or hate?!
I can't figure it out yet...
I never questioned his fighting prowess. Only his hype, which after Matyuchenko was a legitimate claim.

Questioning his ability at this point is kind of silly for anyone to do.

I have also explained to you over and over (to no avail) that I dislike the man behind the fists.

Questioning the self-superior rants of a 23 year old living his dream is perfectly fine in my eyes. Maybe at 28-30 he can claim to be the future of Mixed Martial Ars and I won't be annoyed by it. But for now, he's just a guy with great DNA and great coaching.

And you've always replied to my questioning of his personality, "Blargy blargy blarg, you're just a hater, blargy blargy (insert sarcastic comment) blarg."
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:37 PM   #34 (permalink)
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But the point is, Rua vs Jones was not a particularly fast paced fight. It was tactically hard for both of them, but it was not a body tester. Rua got hit hard early, was on the bottom, and was fighting a much bigger man, so him running out of steam is explainable without even mentioning his surgery etc. If Rua could have bounced back into the game he would have, it's only his physical toughness, ground defense, and Jon tiring that let it go on for longer. Rua would not have bounced back if Jon went in for the kill earlier, it would have been too much.

Jones took much less damage, was always in advantageous positions on the ground, and could throw strikes well out of Rua's range, but by the start of round 2 he was noticeably tired. That is not just down to pressure, he doesn't have a fantastic gas tank right now and he is a big man. He's bigger than many HW's, there's a reason they don't bother cutting to 205.
Maybe Jones has not a fantastic gas tank, but I really think Jones looking tired was primarily due to the pressure. He took less damage and was most of the time in advantageous positions, but that was due to him putting constant pressure on Rua which tired Jones even though they weren't extremely paced. And there aren't many LHW that can go on a high pace or put on constant pressure for 5 rounds. People at that weight just have too much muscles that consume oxygen.

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I've said it before and I'm calling it now, it doesn't matter what type of fight Jones is in, who he is fighting or how much pressure is involved, he will have cardio problems past round 2 and it will be because he is in the wrong weight division. You can say Jon did the smart thing by not trying to finish Shogun earlier, but Shogun was rocked, tired, and wasn't presenting any solid offense. To me that means Jones either doesn't have killer instinct, or was too tired for no good reason, and I don't think he lacks killer instinct.
I can't really tell whether he should move up to HW as I don't really follow him besides his actual fights. So I don't know at what weight he usually walks around. I'm not sure whether he'd be big enough. He is quite tall, but he doesn't look like he'd really have enough functional mass on his body. Look for example at his legs, compared to the tree trunks most HW have his are skinny as fire matches. And he doesn't look to me like he'd put on an upper body like Kongo. Maybe in 5 years or so it could be reasonable, but at the moment I'm not so sure.

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To me that is an incomplete fighter taking advantage of his youth and size,
You're definitely right on this issue. He wins his fights in first place due to his physique, but that's part of the game. But apart from that, even if his technique is far away from being top, I do think his skills and talent also play a major part in his success. He has a very good awareness of the fight situation and tries things out which make him multi dimensional and unpredictable. He doesn't restrict himself as other fighters often do. It will be interesting to see on how he will do in the future with more time of training and more experience on the one side, but with a different kind of pressure of keeping the title instead of hunting it which will change the game plan of his fights on the other side.
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:45 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I never questioned his fighting prowess. Only his hype, which after Matyuchenko was a legitimate claim.
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Questioning his ability at this point is kind of silly for anyone to do.
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I have also explained to you over and over (to no avail) that I dislike the man behind the fists.
1st bold: Wrong! (i got your point long time ago).
2nd bold: Fair enough!
I don't have a problem with you or any other person in this Universe not liking/even hating him.
I'm not his PR manager, nore do i have any personal interests (finnacial or setnimental or whateva....) in seeing him become the most liked/loved fighter ever.

But my posts in this thread aren't hinted at people talking about "Jon Jones - the person", but towards those who are dissing "Jon Jones - the fighter"...for no obvious reasons imo. (Not hinted at SM33)

People have looked for excuses and alibis for "Jones becoming a champion for over a week now".
And fpr these people, it all hints at Shogun having problems,not being the same, gassing, losing skills etc.
It almost has nothing to do with Jones bating Shogun.

It's getting silly and ridiculous.

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Questioning the self-superior rants of a 23 year old living his dream is perfectly fine in my eyes. Maybe at 28-30 he can claim to be the future of Mixed Martial Ars and I won't be annoyed by it. But for now, he's just a guy with great DNA and great coaching.
Fair enough. Even though i don't agree with everything you said there.
But that's a different story.

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And you've always replied to my questioning of his personality, "Blargy blargy blarg, you're just a hater, blargy blargy (insert sarcastic comment) blarg."
Not always, but sometimes...yes.
I used interviews (radio/audio/video) and quotes, that i thought helped sustain my opinion.

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I can't really tell whether he should move up to HW as I don't really follow him besides his actual fights. So I don't know at what weight he usually walks around.
About 225 lbs. Before Bader he was 222 lbs heavy.
The heaviest he's ever been in his entire life was 232, before Matyushenko.

The smallest HW in the UFC is Cro Cop at 225 lbs, but' he is irrelevant and retiring annyway.

Other than that, there are no HWs *smaller* than 240 lbs.
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:13 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Machida fights at a snails pace. No way that's enough to make someone gas. In order for the fight to go 5 rounds Machida would have to make Jones fight at his pace. Jones dictates the pace of fights. The problem would be, could Machida last with 5 rounds with JJ and not get pounded out.
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:25 PM   #37 (permalink)
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The man to end Jones will be Matt Hamill. He's coming back. For revenge.



If this is serious all i would say to that is , Hammil can count his lucky stars that Jones got over excited otherwise he would have TKO'ed him.
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:34 PM   #38 (permalink)
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You know it's funny. I never really understood why people disliked Anderson Silva or why they were really turned off by him. Suppose it's his antics, but for me I see a student/master who teaches a master class every time he's in the Octagon. To me it's art at the highest level.

But now I see it with JBJ. More or less how everything unravelled. Good for him though. I really can't wait til the Rashad fight though. The pre-fight hype will be phenemonal. Only hope the actual fight will live up to it. Will JBJ break the LHW curse...
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Old 03-29-2011, 01:06 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Limba I'm not going to even bother addressing all of your unnecessarily long responses, all I'll say is;

1 - I've been saying Jones will have cardio problems due to size, long before this fight.

2 - Shogun's condition was a major factor in everyone's mind before the fight, but now Jones won, all of a sudden that has been forgotten. I've said in many posts that I think it was partly Shogun's form, but mostly the damage Jones did.

So write another novel if you want, but get off my back!
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Old 03-29-2011, 01:38 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I dunno... that punch to Ruas body that took him down and out looked like it was packing serious power. I very much doubt he was that gassed.

I would wager there are very few LHW championship matches where the fighters don't look tired in the last 2 rounds. Frankie Edgar, they are not.

As tired as Bones might be going into the championship rounds, his opponent will be just as tired at least. You don't go in with that evil bastard for 15 minutes and not take plenty punishment.

Damn... Jones is nasty. Horrible. I'm sure there are lots of LHW's out there whos testicles have shrunk a little.
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