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post #1 of 65 (permalink) Old 03-30-2011, 07:13 PM Thread Starter
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Michael Bisping fans, please share...

I'm in no means attempting to create a "bash Bisping" thread. My opinion on Bisping is pretty clear and is fairly similar to the hate he gets here on MMAF. However, every time I see a post in support of Bisping, they are generally very contradictory and have little to no factual basis behind them. Even good posters from the UK on this forum (and there are plenty) in my opinion are very biased on this subject. It often results in a "You're just a Bisping hater!" response. I'll admit that I think the Bisping hate is pretty shocking, and he's obviously one of the most disliked fighters not just on this forum, but the entire MMA community as well.

So, maybe I'm just seeing all the ignorant pro-Bisping posts, but I legitimately want to know from Bisping supporters why they honestly support him.

Is it nationalism? The idea of playing the devil's advocate? I'm very curious. Again I'm not trying to bash him but I think Bisping gets a lot of hate on here, and I want to discover the true feelings of his supporters
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I think its all nationalism
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I like the way he fights. Do you need more reasons?
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I like the way the guy fights, i don't think he's ever been in a boring fight.

Even when he gets Ko'd its epic lol
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I think its all nationalism
I would argue the opposite, even before his last fight Bisping would get massive amounts of hate from Americans and Canadians. I attribute a lot of this to the TUF season against Hendo. Here is is immediately cast as the bad guy by virtue of not being the American in a Nation v Nation season. From what I remember, Henderson was a bigger d**che than Bisping in that season. The fact that Henderson (apart from already having garnered a respectably fan base) represented "team USA" immediately makes him a "good guy" to the casual (and even hardcore) American fan. Therefore Bisping immediately becomes the "bad guy", a feeling which seems to have stuck. Just like Rashad became the "bad guy" in his season v Rampage even though I felt he was the better coach and more mature figure during the show.

I am not saying he (Bisping) is necessarily a good guy, just not as bad a guy as many people seem to believe. He has had negatives, primarily the Hamill fight, his reactions afterwards and his actions in his last fight. I have heard condemnation and excuses for these two major "scandals" in his career and personally fall in the middle and might even sway a bit towards the Bisping side on both counts. Not in condoning his actions but being able to understand them.

If it wasn't for his statements after the Hamill fight, people wouldn't mind as much. Sure he was gifted a decision which he shouldn't have gotten, but usually this only results in the loser of a BS decision gaining in popularity and not the winner being lambasted. e.g. Leonard Garcia isn't hated for the judges being idiots, but now everyone loves Nam Phan. And Garcia even went on record afterwards saying he deserved to win the fight. Similarly, while this fight made me more sympathetic to Hamill, it did not cause me to hate Bisping.

I have heard that in the lead up to the Hamill fight he lost his father, which would f*ck up anyone. In the Rivera case (aside from the blatantly illegal knee) I can understand his actions as well. One memorable post I read said something along the lines as "spitting is despicable and would result in a fight where I come from". People seem to gloss over the fact that Rivera got intentionally and unnecessarily personal implying Bisping's girlfriend has a StD. Where I come from that would be much more serious than spitting. Especially since he spat at someone who had been talking smack at him, yet couldn't get in the ring with him. So far in watching UFC events cornermen and trainers usually are very respectful, talking up their fighters but not dissing opponents. That just seems incredibly unprofessional.

However Bisping apologized (repeatedly) and while he may just seem to be trying to save his own ass and towing the company line (as he seems to be in my opinion), I haven't read a team Rivera apology anywhere even though they acted terribly unprofessionally as well. In fact he seems to have gained fans for his actions. Personally for me neither fighter came out looking good from that debacle and while I am disappointed at Bisping for his actions I am equally disappointed at Rivera, I am even disappointed at the many people who lionize Bisping while refusing to hold Rivera to similar standards.

I realize this is an incredibly long post and my opinion can be summed up as "meh, he is a dick but sometimes has reason for being one", but the OP asked for an opinion actually supported by some arguments and that is what I attempted and I'm not even a staunch Bisping supporter, I just feel he is treated a little unfairly by most fans. I'm trying to look at this from as unbiased perspective as possible. While I realize one can never be completely unbiased I like to believe I fall stronly on either side of the debate. IMO I see Bisping as I see any other MMA fighter, I will either root for or against him on a case by case basis.

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I would argue the opposite, even before his last fight Bisping would get massive amounts of hate from Americans and Canadians. I attribute a lot of this to the TUF season against Hendo. Here is is immediately cast as the bad guy by virtue of not being the American in a Nation v Nation season. From what I remember, Henderson was a bigger d**che than Bisping in that season. The fact that Henderson (apart from already having garnered a respectably fan base) represented "team USA" immediately makes him a "good guy" to the casual (and even hardcore) American fan. Therefore Bisping immediately becomes the "bad guy", a feeling which seems to have stuck.

I am not saying he is necessarily a good guy, just not as bad a guy as many people seem to believe. He has had negatives, primarily the Hamill fight, his reactions afterwards and his actions in his last fight. I have heard condemnation and excuses for these two major "scandals" in his career and personally fall in the middle and might even sway a bit towards the Bisping side on both counts. Not in condoning his actions but being able to understand them.

If it wasn't for his statements after the Hamill fight, people wouldn't mind as much. Sure he was gifted a decision which he shouldn't have gotten, but usually this only results in the loser of a BS decision gaining in popularity and not the winner being lambasted. e.g. Leonard Garcia isn't hated for the judges being idiots, but now everyone loves Nam Phan. And Garcia even went on record afterwards saying he deserved to win the fight.

I have heard that in the lead up to the Hamill fight he lost his father, which would f*ck up anyone. In the Rivera case (aside from the blatantly illegal knee) I can understand his actions as well. One memorable post I read said something along the lines as "spitting is despicable and would result in a fight where I come from". People seem to gloss over the fact that Rivera got intentionally and unnecessarily personal implying Bisping's girlfriend has a StD. Where I come from that would be much more serious than spitting. Especially since he spat at someone who had been talking smack at him, yet couldn't get in the ring with him. So far in watching UFC events cornermen and trainers usually are very respectful, talking up their fighters but not dissing opponents. That just seems incredibly unprofessional.

However Bisping apologizes and while he may just seem to be trying to save his own ass and towing the company line (as he seems to be in my opinion), I haven't read a team Rivera apology anywhere even though they acted terribly unprofessionally as well. In fact he seems to have gained fans for his actions. Personally for me neither fighter came out looking good from that debacle and while I am disappointed at Bisping for his actions I am equally disappointed at Rivera, I am even disappointed at the many people who lionize Bisping while refusing to hold Rivera to similar standards.

I realize this is an incredibly long post and my opinion can be summed up as "meh, he is a dick but sometimes has reason for being one", but the OP asked for an opinion actually supported by some arguments and that is what I attempted and I'm not even a staunch Bisping supporter, I just feel he is treated a little unfairly by most fans.
Bispings dad is still alive as far as I know, he was interviewed after UFC 100 so the Hammill story is unfounded.

Bisping was arrogant and abrasive in TUF house. He was rude and belligerent after winning a very bad decision. He dumped water on Damarques Johnson and tried to punk out one of the fighters on TUF. He than ran his mouth constantly, whined about gym times (not switching times like every other coach has.), shit talked Wandy after Silva whooped his ass while constantly trying to make it out like he was robbed. Then he spit at/on the corner of Rivera. Here is the better question what has Bisping ever said or done in the UFC that shows an even slightly redeeming quality.




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As a relative fan of his, I understood the hate from TUF 9 as he was in general a large dick at times on that show, although he often came across as a pretty funny guy he clearly came out of that show as the dick after things like throwing the water on Johnson. That said I had sort of gathered alot of people hated him prior to that, so I watched season three only two weeks ago and to be fair I was quite shocked to see Bisping come across as a pretty funny, clever guy who I think if he had been American no-one would have disliked the guy. The fact he was a Brit and went on to win the show I think created alot of animosity for him.
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He was a slighlty less amusing Junie Browning and we hate him too. Has NOTHING to do with where he's from. Has EVERYTHING to do with his attitutde, cockiness, rudeness and unsportsmanlike conduct. And he's a GIANT Douche!!! If it was because of where he's from then why isn't Hardy hated or some of the other Brittish fighters hated as much? Exactly! Y'all don't have a reason.
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As a relative fan of his, I understood the hate from TUF 9 as he was in general a large dick at times on that show, although he often came across as a pretty funny guy he clearly came out of that show as the dick after things like throwing the water on Johnson. That said I had sort of gathered alot of people hated him prior to that, so I watched season three only two weeks ago and to be fair I was quite shocked to see Bisping come across as a pretty funny, clever guy who I think if he had been American no-one would have disliked the guy. The fact he was a Brit and went on to win the show I think created alot of animosity for him.
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