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Old 03-31-2011, 08:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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This is the perfect match to let royce have in the ufc. Granted it wouldnt really mean anything who wins, but I'd love to see it and I bet a lot of others would to.


As a guy who usually agrees with limba/xeberus/rauno (the gang of agreeable dudebros), I have to disagree. I'd rather see Royce fight someone new, I'm way more interested in "oh shit the sport has evolved a shit ass ton, whoa" kind of fight than a "I think I remember seeing this fight in 2006" kind of fight.


Dan Miller maybe? I bet he could sub Royce.
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Old 03-31-2011, 08:29 PM   #22 (permalink)
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this is pretty unrelated but i didn't want to make a new thread about it.

on royce's record his fight with hideo tokoro was a draw "due to a lack of judges"



wtf happened there?
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Yeah no kidding. I've got some friends from Rochester BJJ scene who have rolled with him and with a gi on (and no strikes obviously) Royce is a monster. Take the gi away and add in strikes and he's just a fish out of water nowadays.
ugh missed this post earlier cause i was on my iphone*

I'd love to roll with royce. He'd probably sub me violently gi or no gi, but I'd love to see how I compare to him on the ground.


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As a guy who usually agrees with limba/xeberus/rauno (the gang of agreeable dudebros), I have to disagree. I'd rather see Royce fight someone new, I'm way more interested in "oh shit the sport has evolved a shit ass ton, whoa" kind of fight than a "I think I remember seeing this fight in 2006" kind of fight.


Dan Miller maybe? I bet he could sub Royce.
I suppose they might do something like that. The only thing though is that royce is going to get demolished and its going to be brutal, fast and one sided. But i like dan miller, so it would be good to get him another W after his recent loss. which I gained a lot of respect for him over.

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this is pretty unrelated but i didn't want to make a new thread about it.

on royce's record his fight with hideo tokoro was a draw "due to a lack of judges"



wtf happened there?
Some fights take place under special rules. This is one of those instances where both fighters agreed to fight without it being judged, aka stoppage is the only way a winner would be decided. This kind of thing has happened in many fighting venues such as: k-1, pride and even the ufc. Neither fighter was stopped so it was declared a draw.
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How about James f'n Toney? He's still running his mouth about wanting to fight, why not put him in there with Royce as a "special attraction" type match for the UFC Rio card?

Royce would submit him in the first round.
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How about James f'n Toney? He's still running his mouth about wanting to fight, why not put him in there with Royce as a "special attraction" type match for the UFC Rio card?

Royce would submit him in the first round.
I'd rather see Royce back in the UFC than James Toney. But in reality I don't want to see either at all, it is just a matter of who I want to see less. Despite Royce being a legend, and despite him having a huge influence on the sport, at this point I don't want to see him fight anymore. Having to watch James Toney "fight" purely for money and an aging Royce fight well past his prime hurts my brain.
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Yep, I hear ya. I was going to say put on an exhibition match with Almeida or Maia vs Royce. New school vs old school ya know what I'm saying. Almeida might be a step down since he's a student of his cousin Renzo...hehe.

I had to do some research. Just read up on the founder of Jiu Jitsu way before Helio Gracie. Check it out --->

Mitsuyo Maeda (one of his students was none other than the late Carlos Gracie who in turned teached his younger brother Helio.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsuyo_Maeda

According to Renzo Gracie's book Mastering Jujitsu,[54] Maeda not only taught the art of judo to Carlos Gracie, but also taught a particular philosophy about the nature of combat based on his travels competing and training alongside catch-wrestlers, boxers, savate fighters, and various other martial artists. The book details Maeda's theory that physical combat could be broken down into distinct phases, such as the striking phase, the grappling phase, the ground phase, and so on.

Geez...talk about laying the ground work already over a century ago!
Maeda can be considered as the founder of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, but Jiu Jitsu/Ju Jutsu dates back long before him in Japan. He was taught in Kano Jigoro's Kodokan Judo, which was originally just a different Ryu (style) of Ju Jutsu and is almost nothing like Olympic sports Judo people know today. It was a "real deal" fighting art including all phases of a fight. In Kano's book Kodokan Judo you can see that it does not only include Nage-Waza (throwing techniques), but also Kansetsu-Waza (joint locks), Shime-Waza (chokes) AND Atemi-Waza (strikes). At that time the different schools challenged other schools in Vale Tudo like fights to prove their styles. So in fact it already WAS some kind of MMA with Gi. Only over the time they de-velopped largely into McDojo martial arts and not many schools still teach it in the original combat oriented spirit.

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Put him against Falcao = first ever MMA related death in a fight!
You are late, young Padawan:

The first MMA related death that caught some public attention was the one of Douglas Dedge in 1998

Then there were two deaths under US sanctioned MMA events in Sam Vasquez (2007) and Michael Kirkham (2010).
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Maeda can be considered as the founder of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, but Jiu Jitsu/Ju Jutsu dates back long before him in Japan. He was taught in Kano Jigoro's Kodokan Judo, which was originally just a different Ryu (style) of Ju Jutsu and is almost nothing like Olympic sports Judo people know today. It was a "real deal" fighting art including all phases of a fight. In Kano's book Kodokan Judo you can see that it does not only include Nage-Waza (throwing techniques), but also Kansetsu-Waza (joint locks), Shime-Waza (chokes) AND Atemi-Waza (strikes). At that time the different schools challenged other schools in Vale Tudo like fights to prove their styles. So in fact it already WAS some kind of MMA with Gi. Only over the time they de-velopped largely into McDojo martial arts and not many schools still teach it in the original combat oriented spirit.
Except you can't accredit Vale Tudo with being the first MMA type event, since Pankration in ancient greece was the first form. Also why Boxing and Wrestling are the oldest martial arts.

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Then there were two deaths under US sanctioned MMA events in Sam Vasquez (2007) and Michael Kirkham (2010).


I believe he meant in the UFC.
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Old 04-01-2011, 12:08 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Except you can't accredit Vale Tudo with being the first MMA type event, since Pankration in ancient greece was the first form.
True, but Ju Jutsu has an unbroken lineage to this day, whereas Pankration has not. I only mentioned Vale Tudo, which is Brazilian/Portuguese, because that's something more or less known to a lot of MMA interested people, while the Japanese form of Shiai/Kumite/Randori may be not.

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Also why Boxing and Wrestling are the oldest martial arts.
It's hard to tell which martial art is the oldest. Probably in all cultures they trained some sort of fighting, but what's certain is that ancient Boxing has not much to do with the Queensberry rules Boxing we know today. Ancient Greek Pygme (Boxing) for example was fought with leather straps around the hands where often metal weights where inserted to increase damage, there was no time limit and no rounds.

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I believe he meant in the UFC.
Then obviously Dana White has won.
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This is the perfect match to let royce have in the ufc. Granted it wouldnt really mean anything who wins, but I'd love to see it and I bet a lot of others would to.
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As a guy who usually agrees with limba/xeberus/rauno (the gang of agreeable dudebros), I have to disagree. I'd rather see Royce fight someone new, I'm way more interested in "oh shit the sport has evolved a shit ass ton, whoa" kind of fight than a "I think I remember seeing this fight in 2006" kind of fight.

Dan Miller maybe? I bet he could sub Royce.
The thing is, it's SAKURABA - "The Gracie Hunter"! That funny dude who came from wrestling and beat the Gracies at their own game.

I bet, even today, if you talk say his name in front of a Gracie, they go blank for a moment.
I know the chances of this fight happening are close to nothing, but if i were Dana, Sakuraba's name would be the first that would come to my mind.

If not, i wouldn't want to see Royce back, unless it's an exhibition match.


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I suppose they might do something like that. The only thing though is that royce is going to get demolished and its going to be brutal, fast and one sided.
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