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post #21 of 88 (permalink) Old 04-03-2011, 03:41 PM
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Again his size is meaningless to a power puncher that has takedown defense. Brock is going to get lit up. How anyone could classify themselves a MMA artist and not have full contact sparring is pathetic!
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My main concern...

Forrest Griffin and Vitor Belfort walk around at 230-240.

Rampage gets up to 250.

JDS is close to that weight when he fights(sherdog says 240, it says 244 for Cain Velasquez).

If Brock can submit guys like Griffin at will when they're near 240 and presumably not dieting and dropping weight for a fight, could he do the same to JDS?

What about Cain Velasquez?

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Cain Velasquez was able to hang with Lesnar on the ground because he himself is a beast wrestler. Plus you can watch the fight, Lesnar would have been fine but both times he had Cain to the ground he tried to rush a transmission to a different position. If he had just been more patient he would have been fine. He does have holes in his stand-up but I doubt that JDS will be able to stop the TDD for very long. Watching his fight against Nelson, he's a head-hunter with heavy hands. Brock can handle that easily.

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All i'm saying is Korean Zombie was lucky to be the first guy to pull off a twister in the UFC. Brock's going to be second.

..just saying.

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I've always said that if he he was a black belt in jiu jitsu or a white belt as one of our instructor said then he'd be a pretty unstoppable force. Why? He can simply POWER hiw way into a submission that's why. Doesn't matter if his technique is off he'll still get the armbar. Interesting thought to behold.

He looks very lean now which means he's in fighting shape.
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I'm just surprised that this is news. I realize that Brock has fallen off the radar for a lot of people, but he's still a solid athlete. My primary frustration with Brock has always been the failure to gameplan and to really dedicate himself to learning the technical skills.

I hope his training is going well with XCouture. He's a good athlete and he can learn a lot hanging around that camp. Submitting Griffin is another nice indicator that he's been putting some focus into his jiu-jitsu (though it seems like he's been doing that for a while) and hopefully the same is true for his striking. As much as I don't like Brock, I think he could have a solid UFC career if he rounded out his skillset with striking, and he could conceivably be a contender soon if he starts gameplanning effectively.

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Vinny M's response to the article.

Originally Posted by Vinny Magalh„es
The only time I saw Brock in person was backstage when he was getting ready for the weigh ins for his second fight against Frank. I'm not sure if was really Jay who said those things in that interview, but I don't think Brock would sub Forrest, at least not 2x in the same move like it was said. Also, I haven't seen Forrest at XC since he was getting ready for his last fight, so I was wondering when this "supposedly" happened.
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post #28 of 88 (permalink) Old 04-03-2011, 09:43 PM
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As the saying goes: The bigger skilled man will beat the smaller skilled man. If the smaller skilled man beat the bigger skilled man, then it meant that bigger guy did not even have close to the skill level of the smaller man. Cain did not win via lucky KO punch or anything like that. Cain pretty much worked him all around the second he was able to, it was a dominant victory left and right. It was an embarrassing drubbing at the hands of Cain. It simply meant that Brock was not as good as Cain. This lead many people to believe that Brock is really not as good as a fighter as the UFC lead people to believe. Brock has a chance by beating a skilled fighter in Junior Dos Santos and redeeming himself. But if he loses again to a smaller Junior Dos Santos, then their is no doubt that Brock Lesnar is not the fighter most people thought he was. And thats when his future gets uncertain if he gets exposed with a 5-3 record. I mean, what can the guy do after he lost his luster and looks like an average fighter despite having the hype of a GOAT fighter?
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Did you not see the fight?

Lesnar could not keep Cain down for sh1t and Cain took Lesnar down at will, took his back, landed shots to the sides of his head and the fight was finished on the ground with Lesnar tapping. That's how. You should really watch the fight.

Very observant of you to clock I don't like Lesnar.
The ground game didn't make that much of a difference IMO. It was one the far superior stand up brock's liner style and not being use to getting hit that hard.

I am excited to see Brock vs jds. I dont think Brock could get good enough to be a match for jds in the stand up but he just may be able to get good enough to keep jds at bay till he secures good GnP and the training with Xtreme Courture sure can help alot. It will be a fun fight (maybe not long) and I can't wait to see who comes out ontop.

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I've written many times that we did not see the "real" Brock Lesnar in 2010. He didn't look like himself to me. I think his recent interview stating that he was overwhelmed coming back from a very severe illness to defend his belt twice within 3 months was not simply idle talk.

His fight against JDS will show us where Brock truly ranks among the top HW's.
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