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Old 04-06-2011, 07:41 AM   #21 (permalink)
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well i saw him from opening bell being very tired looking and had literally nothing the whole fight, shogun landed a hook to JBJ during the fight and it barely wobbled his cheek because it was so slow and gassed.
Agreed. he looked the same way in the Griffin fight. Perhaps over training?... although if he was over trained I'd tedn to think he'd be in better shape. It just seems like sometimes he's cought up in sparring mode at 75% speed and thinking that only the 1-2 strike combos will be thrown and everyone will back off and take a deep breath.

Shogun looked NOTHING like this in either of the Machida fights. He had a lot of focus and a lot of speed. Against Griffin, Coleman, and JBJ he was not the same fighter. something's up with him I think.
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Old 04-06-2011, 09:23 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I agree a fight with Forrest is the best choice. First of all, this is logical. Secondly, this is the fight for the fans. Thirdly, Shogun deserves a chance to prove that now he's actually better than Forrest regardless of the first meeting.
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Old 04-06-2011, 09:49 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I agree with what you're saying. I don't really like to see a title rematch too quick because then most likely it will be the same scenario all over again. But I really can't see how you would rank Bonnar ahead of Shogun even in your title shot rankings... Bonnar has won Soszynski and Pokrajac and before that suffered losses to Soszynski and Mark Coleman! So I agree with everything you said except the Bonnar part cause that's just crazy talk
Bonnar will never get a title shot imo. I've just thrown that out there. Just a *long shot*...if you want.
But the guy is entertaining to watch. His fights are always
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Plus, he's never been stopped.

I believe Bonnar vs Shogun would be a fun fight in Brazil.

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Limba?... dude... Bonnar?? How is Bonnar even relevant these days?
My *love* for Bonnar has been described in the above sentences.

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Hamill got tooled by Franklin, and JBJ... now if he beats Rampage, ok... I might agree that he's back in the picture.
Don't sleep on Matt Hamill.
Yes - he got beat up beadly by Jones. But who wasn't lately?!
And the Franklin loss is 3 years old.
He has shown big improvements after that fight (except Jones of course).
I hate the fact the people don't give him too much credit for his win against Ortiz.
But at the same time, Forrest Griffin's high position in the rankings is a result of a win over Ortiz as well.

But, i have Hamill beating Rampage annyway.


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Vera???!!?! Brandon Vera?? no no no...
Griffin? YES! he just beat Franklin.
Why not Vera?! It would be a muay thai classic, a very exciting fight.
And Griffin?! It might happen...it doesn't sound bad at all, but i don't think it's gonna happen. Call it "a feeling".

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So it's gotta be Rashad, Rampage, or Griffin. Shogun and Machida at Tier 2...assuming Machida can beat Couture.

just my opinion, of course.
Well, Rashad is contender no.1.
Griffin, Hamill/Rampage and .... Couture are contender cathegory 2.

Davis, Shogun and Machida are contender cathegory 3.
My opinion of course...

But, the UFC operates strangely sometimes.

So...i have to go with Shogun vs Franklin!
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If Mousasi wins his next fight against Jardine I'd love to see a Mousasi vs. Shogun fight. For some reason I've always felt like Mousasi was the next Shogun.
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If Mousasi wins his next fight against Jardine I'd love to see a Mousasi vs. Shogun fight. For some reason I've always felt like Mousasi was the next Shogun.
This would be f***ing exciting, but won't happen any time soon.
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If Mousasi wins his next fight against Jardine I'd love to see a Mousasi vs. Shogun fight. For some reason I've always felt like Mousasi was the next Shogun.

That'd be great but if Shogun comes in gassed from an injury or a bad camp people will just write off Mousasi's win, and that's getting pretty old.


I want so bad for Mousasi to come to the UFC but he wants to box in the olympics, he wanted to rock house in K-1 and win all the Dream titles so he isn't ready to be in an exclusive organization yet I think.
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Old 04-06-2011, 11:18 AM   #27 (permalink)
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That'd be great but if Shogun comes in gassed from an injury or a bad camp people will just write off Mousasi's win, and that's getting pretty old.


I want so bad for Mousasi to come to the UFC but he wants to box in the olympics, he wanted to rock house in K-1 and win all the Dream titles so he isn't ready to be in an exclusive organization yet I think.
In the meantime he better work hard enough on his wrestling skills. Otherwise, UFC's great wrestlers with good kickboxing skills (defense) will put some Ls on his resume. Nogueira has been fighting wrestlers and haven't had much success even though he has much better striking than all his UFC opponents. Rashad, Bader, Jon Jones and even Brilz have good chances to beat Gegard on the ground. That's a long list. Anyway, once Mousasi faces Henderson, we'll know more. Unfortunately, Dan may just try and stand with him instead of grappling.
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no way i dont want him back this soon, i only want to see a shogun with gas and the one we saw against machida both times, i agree with 100% of khovs post. i liike shogun but it hurts to support him when he is always mr hyde or dr jerkyll with his conditioning
u see shogun win u conclude that he has good gas tank and conditioning..
but if u see him get raped his fans wud say hes not in good condition

get over it and move on... bones hit him so hard that he gassed to quickly move on dude
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u see shogun win u conclude that he has good gas tank and conditioning..
but if u see him get raped his fans wud say hes not in good condition

get over it and move on... bones hit him so hard that he gassed to quickly move on dude
The truth is always somewhere in between. Do you actually believe that Shogun did his best on UFC 128? Or is there a chance that Rua looked bad again as he did on UFC 76 and UFC 93? Applying your logic, Coleman, Griffin and Jones hit much more harder than all the previous opponents of Shogun's, because only those 3 made Rua absolutely lose his endurance so quickly. The fight with Nogueira means nothing to you? Shogun had been dropped and kept fighting like the energizer bunny for 20 minutes, or does Nogueira have pillow hands? What about the fight with Machida on UFC 104 or Edgar's miraculous recuperation after having taken a beating? Maynard gassed more while landing those strikes than Edgar while taking them. As I said, the truth is always somewhere in between
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In the meantime he better work hard enough on his wrestling skills. Otherwise, UFC's great wrestlers with good kickboxing skills (defense) will put some Ls on his resume. Nogueira has been fighting wrestlers and haven't had much success even though he has much better striking. Rashad, Bader, Jon Jones and even Brilz have good chances to beat Gegard on the ground. That's a long list. Anyway, once Mousasi faces Henderson, we'll know more. Unfortunately, Dan may just try and stand with him instead of grappling.

Nogueira, by far, has inferior striking compared to Gegard. And I mean by a margin comparable to like... Silva and Bisping.


Mousasi looked great against UFC veteran wrestler Jake O'Brien, but that Lawal fight was mind boggling. It's like Mousasi's dog died an hour before the fight or something. He still wrecked Lawal though, did all the damage done in that fight and was never close to being hurt or finished.
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