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Old 04-07-2011, 11:56 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Awesome news! Big Dog has great moral fiber and should be a great judge.Thank God he wouldn't score a fight the same as Sonnen!
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:17 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I honestly don't think that retired fighters as judges is even going to begin to solve the judging dilemma. Fighters are perhaps even more likely to be non impartial as far as styles go. Do you believe for a second Chael Sonnen, Demian Maia and Paul Daley would score a fight even remotely the same?
I completely disagree. You just pulled two of the worst examples you could and actually Maia I think would be fair as he respects MMA.

I could sit here and name plenty of fighters who would have no bias, so long as I avoid the Paul Daley's and Chael Sonnen's who's personalities are some of the most questionable in the sport.
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I honestly don't think that retired fighters as judges is even going to begin to solve the judging dilemma. Fighters are perhaps even more likely to be non impartial as far as styles go. Do you believe for a second Chael Sonnen, Demian Maia and Paul Daley would score a fight even remotely the same?
At worst they'd judge as accurately as the current judges.
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Old 04-07-2011, 01:00 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I honestly don't think that retired fighters as judges is even going to begin to solve the judging dilemma. Fighters are perhaps even more likely to be non impartial as far as styles go. Do you believe for a second Chael Sonnen, Demian Maia and Paul Daley would score a fight even remotely the same?
I think it is unfair to doubt a fighter's ability to be a good judgde.

There are a lot of examples ou there right now, where fighters are guests in MMA TV shows and after a fight they have different opinions on how a fight went down.

Having former MMA fighters as judges won't eliminate all the bad decisions either - there's always gonna be a certain level ob subjectivity in al decisions - but i would rather see a former fighter judge a fight, instead of Cecil Peoples or any other 70-80 year old *grandpa* who doesn't know what's going on in the ring bcause he hasn't fought 5 minuts in his entire life.

It's not right to generalize and "throw all fighters in the same bucket"...if you will.
And it doesn't sound right judging them for something they haven't done yet either.

Only time will tell if judging will improve or not with former pro fighters becoming pro judges.
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Old 04-07-2011, 01:05 PM   #15 (permalink)
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They need to remove all of the dumb shit that has nothing to do with whether you are actually winning a fight like octagon control and aggression and just score damage and techniques executed before it gets fixed but they will need former fighters and long time knowledgeable fans as judges to score the fights right even if that gets changed.
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Old 04-07-2011, 01:24 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I think Maia would score it very realistically because he's an intelligent, fair person. I think Rutten would be a great judge as well. But crazies who happened to be ex-fighters would definitely not make good judges.
But even on a subconcious level the fact that a guy like Maia has a better understanding of the grappling aspect could easily lead him to be bias even if its not a conscious decision.

You bring up Bas which is interesting because it also brings up the point that you may have fighters playing tribute towards the judges. Could a couple liver punches put a fighter in his favor at some level?

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I completely disagree. You just pulled two of the worst examples you could and actually Maia I think would be fair as he respects MMA.

I could sit here and name plenty of fighters who would have no bias, so long as I avoid the Paul Daley's and Chael Sonnen's who's personalities are some of the most questionable in the sport.
I picked Daley and Sonnnen not because of there personalities but because of the fact they are both rather one dimensional.
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I think it is unfair to doubt a fighter's ability to be a good judgde.

There are a lot of examples ou there right now, where fighters are guests in MMA TV shows and after a fight they have different opinions on how a fight went down.

Having former MMA fighters as judges won't eliminate all the bad decisions either - there's always gonna be a certain level ob subjectivity in al decisions - but i would rather see a former fighter judge a fight, instead of Cecil Peoples or any other 70-80 year old *grandpa* who doesn't know what's going on in the ring bcause he hasn't fought 5 minuts in his entire life.

It's not right to generalize and "throw all fighters in the same bucket"...if you will.
And it doesn't sound right judging them for something they haven't done yet either.

Only time will tell if judging will improve or not with former pro fighters becoming pro judges.
I am not saying all fighters would be horrible judges. I just think the fact that they were fighters is rather irrelevant as far as there ability to be fair and accurate. Call me crazy but honestly I find it difficult to believe a guy like Almedia or Maia despite having the best of intentions could be unbiased. These guys have dedicated there lives becoming experts in one aspect of MMA and you don't do that without having a great deal of respect and adoration for that art form. With the knowledge of that respect and adoration its hard to believe that on some level that is not gonna effect there ability to be fair. Its human nature to be bias. Fighters would have a better understanding of what is happening but that doesn't mean it will be better just different.
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You bring up Bas which is interesting because it also brings up the point that you may have fighters playing tribute towards the judges. Could a couple liver punches put a fighter in his favor at some level?
If a liver shot hits clean there is no need for judging anymore

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I picked Daley and Sonnnen not because of there personalities but because of the fact they are both rather one dimensional.

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I am not saying all fighters would be horrible judges. I just think the fact that they were fighters is rather irrelevant as far as there ability to be fair and accurate. Call me crazy but honestly I find it difficult to believe a guy like Almedia or Maia despite having the best of intentions could be unbiased. These guys have dedicated there lives becoming experts in one aspect of MMA and you don't do that without having a great deal of respect and adoration for that art form. With the knowledge of that respect and adoration its hard to believe that on some level that is not gonna effect there ability to be fair. Its human nature to be bias. Fighters would have a better understanding of what is happening but that doesn't mean it will be better just different.
That's why I suggested in another thread (I think it was about someones idea to implement 9 judges instead of 3) that it would be best if those ex-fighters had a more or less balanced record of KOs and submission victories (maybe also decisions).

And that they have to get rid of this terrible 10pt-must-system which just doesn't work for MMA as it does for boxing.
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Old 04-07-2011, 04:11 PM   #19 (permalink)
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This is a good thing but why not Vegas ?! Alot more events there ..
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That's why I suggested in another thread (I think it was about someones idea to implement 9 judges instead of 3) that it would be best if those ex-fighters had a more or less balanced record of KOs and submission victories (maybe also decisions).

And that they have to get rid of this terrible 10pt-must-system which just doesn't work for MMA as it does for boxing.


Seems over the top, but I definitely agree that the 10pt must system leaves too many aspects of a fight to personal opinion and perception. More specific criteria being weighted appropriately, regarding certain aspects of the fight would help make decisions more clear (i.e. judging standup, grappling, and submissions separately). Whenever a fight goes to a decision, theres always at least one judge who scored at least one round a way that leaves people scratching their head like "how did he see that going to fighter x".
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