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post #11 of 19 (permalink) Old 04-10-2011, 09:50 PM
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Shields needs more help than Phil Davis, he needs to be Phil Davis to have any chance of getting and keeping GSP on the floor!
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Is Shields working with every great wrester he can find? The guy has worked with Sonnen, Lindland and now Davis. The wrestling end of this fight could end up a lot closer than I originally thought.
and Askren.

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Is Shields working with every great wrester he can find? The guy has worked with Sonnen, Lindland and now Davis. The wrestling end of this fight could end up a lot closer than I originally thought.
This. The level of intelligence Shield's is demonstrating in his taking in of training partners actually has me excited for this fight. It almost makes me feel like his intentions are to take GSP down, and try to work something from the top.

However, I think GSP's game plan will most likely be similar to what we saw against Kos.
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and Askren.
He made Askren tap a few times if I remember correctly.


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I tend to do better judging fights right off the bat. After reading and watching hype for awhile I get caught up in the "oh this IS going to be an epic fight!" and my opinion gets slanted. My initial reaction with this fight was that GSP was going to smash Shields and I'm sticking with that. I think the big factor in this fight isn't going to be stand up, wrestling or BJJ. I think the factor is going to be pace and cardio.

GSP has cardio for days and Shields does not. I don't think you can really train for the level changing and pace of GSP. I think it'll be a fight that slides more and more into St. Pierre's favor as the fight goes on. I think many people are going to be surprised when Shields gets ahold of a leg and drive St. Pierre into the fence for a couple of times but it won't last and the peppering jabs and level changes will burn Shields out. I don't think GSP will finish him 'cause Shields is a tough dude but it will be a decisive performance.
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I tend to do better judging fights right off the bat. After reading and watching hype for awhile I get caught up in the "oh this IS going to be an epic fight!" and my opinion gets slanted. My initial reaction with this fight was that GSP was going to smash Shields and I'm sticking with that. I think the big factor in this fight isn't going to be stand up, wrestling or BJJ. I think the factor is going to be pace and cardio.

GSP has cardio for days and Shields does not. I don't think you can really train for the level changing and pace of GSP. I think it'll be a fight that slides more and more into St. Pierre's favor as the fight goes on. I think many people are going to be surprised when Shields gets ahold of a leg and drive St. Pierre into the fence for a couple of times but it won't last and the peppering jabs and level changes will burn Shields out. I don't think GSP will finish him 'cause Shields is a tough dude but it will be a decisive performance.
Historically, Shields has amazing cardio. GSPs' cardio has not even been pushed really because he's been so dominant in his past few fights. If anyone has watched Shields' fights or know his history, they would know that. The only thing that will affect Shields' cardio from not being where it normally is is fighting at 170. If he has another bad cut, then I'll tend to agree, but I can't expect a professional of his caliber to come out like that two fights in a row.
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Historically, Shields has amazing cardio. GSPs' cardio has not even been pushed really because he's been so dominant in his past few fights. If anyone has watched Shields' fights or know his history, they would know that. The only thing that will affect Shields' cardio from not being where it normally is is fighting at 170. If he has another bad cut, then I'll tend to agree, but I can't expect a professional of his caliber to come out like that two fights in a row.
I don't know man: I know it's been awhile but I seem to remember him stalling out against Okami and Condit. I also remember the last rounds of the Shields/Miller fight looking like they were in slow motion. My memory might be off but I that's how I remember it.

I stand by my opinion: I think he's going to gas!
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I don't know man: I know it's been awhile but I seem to remember him stalling out against Okami and Condit. I also remember the last rounds of the Shields/Miller fight looking like they were in slow motion. My memory might be off but I that's how I remember it.

I stand by my opinion: I think he's going to gas!
WIth all due respect Jake fought Okami and Condit on the same night.. 6 rounds all together...against those two guys?? And he beat them both. If he looked a little tired during that... hell I aint mad at him... both of those guys are top ten in their respective classes and Okami is top 5.


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WIth all due respect Jake fought Okami and Condit on the same night.. 6 rounds all together...against those two guys?? And he beat them both. If he looked a little tired during that... hell I aint mad at him... both of those guys are top ten in their respective classes and Okami is top 5.
Nah, you're absolutely right but it was just the first Shields fights I saw and it started a trend that I always ended up watching Shields hug guys he couldn't finish. He went through like a 2+ year period later where he finished everyone in the first but turned around back to hug 'n' love on Henderson and Miller.

I don't dislike Shields: I think he's a bad ass so don't think I'm hating on the guy. He's solid and one of MMA's "winners." The guy just wins. I just don't think he'll win against GSP and I really do believe cardio & pace will be the reason why. I could be off but that's what I'm sticking with. =P
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