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Old 04-13-2011, 02:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
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HW
1 - Cain Velasquez (9-0)
2 - Junior dos Santos (12-1)
3 - Brock Lesnar (5-2)
4 - Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1)
5 - Antonio Silva (16-2)
6 - Alistair Overeem (34-11, 1 NC)
7 - Shane Carwin (12-1)
8 - Fedor Emelianenko (31-3, 1 NC)
9 - Frank Mir (14-5)
10 - Cole Konrad (7-0)

LHW

1 - Jon Jones (13-1)
2 - Rashad Evans (15-1-1)
3 - Quinton “Rampage” Jackson (31-8)
4 - Forrest Griffin (18-6)
5 - Mauricio “Shogun” Rua (19-5)
6 - Lyoto Machida (16-2)
7 - Ryan Bader (12-1)
8 - Dan Henderson (27-8)
9 - Phil Davis (9-0)
9 - Matt Hamill (10-2)

MW

1 - Anderson Silva (28-4)
2 - Chael Sonnen (25-11-1)
3 - Yushin Okami (26-5)
4 - Ronaldo “Jacare” Souza (14-2, 1 NC)
5 - Demian Maia (14-2)
6 - Vitor Belfort (19-9)
7 - Hector Lombard (28-2-1, 1 NC)
8 - Nate Marquardt (31-10-2)
9 - Jorge Santiago (23-8)
10 - Michael Bisping (21-3)

WW

1 - Georges St. Pierre (21-2)
2 - Jon Fitch (23-3-1, 1 NC)
3 - Jake Shields (26-4-1)
4 - Thiago Alves (18-7)
5 - B.J. Penn (16-7-2)
6 - Nick Diaz (25-7, 1 NC)
7 - Carlos Condit (26-5)
8 - Rick Story (12-3)
9 - Josh Koscheck (15-5)
10 - Dong Hyun Kim (14-0-1)

LW

1 - Frankie Edgar (13-1-1)
2 - Gray Maynard (10-0-1, 1 NC)
3 - Gilbert Melendez (19-2)
4 - Jim Miller (20-2)
5 - Anthony Pettis (13-1)
6 - Eddie Alvarez (22-2)
7 - Shinya Aoki (27-5, 1 NC)
8 - Clay Guida (28-11)
9 - Melvin Guillard (27-8-2)
10 - Sean Sherk (36-4-1)

FW
1 - Jose Aldo (18-1)
2 - Chad Mendes (10-0)
3 - Hatsu Hioki (23-4-2)
4 - Diego Nunes (16-1)
5 - Kenny Florian (13-5-0)
6 - Dustin Poirier (9-1)
7 - Manny Gamburyan (11-5)
8 - Marlon Sandro (17-2)
9 - Mark Hominick (20-8-0)
10 - Josh Grispi (14-2)

I think Sherdog is right with BW.
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Old 04-13-2011, 02:54 PM   #12 (permalink)
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1. Jones
2. Shogun
3. Machida
4. Rashad
5. Rampage
6. Forrest
7. Phil Davis
8. Bader
9. Hamill
10. Lil Nog
contenders: Hendo, Feijao, Mousasi, Mo, Gustaffson

really but other then that they aren't bad rankings.
Hamill beat tito which is a solid win in the ufc, and Hendo hasnt done much at 205 since Pride except beat Feijao and Babalu (who mousasi also destroyed). But they may be 1 spot apart so I dont see the problem.

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You said Sherdog rankings suck yet you have Overeem at #2 for beating Rogers ? and Machida (arguably 3 fight losng streak) at #3 ?

Don't hate on other people rankings then post bs rankings yourself ..
so why then is Overeem the favorite to win the tournament where Werdum, Antonio Silva and Fedor participated? you want to rank brock the ufc champion with 5 fights then over fedor? these rankings are based on skill NOT achievements.

Machida arguably lost 1 (to Shogun by KO) but in my opinion he lost the first fight to shogun as well and beat Rampage definetly.
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Hendo hasnt done much at 205 since Pride except beat Feijao and Babalu.


so why then is Overeem the favorite to win the tournament where Werdum, Antonio Silva and Fedor participated? you want to rank brock the ufc champion with 5 fights then over fedor? these rankings are based on skill NOT achievements.
So what you're saying is you dont consider Hendo Ko'ing Babalu & Feijao "skills" , Melendez beating Kawajiri & Aoki also not "skills" , Brock beating 3 Former Champions not "skills" , but Overeem beating rogers "SKILLS" ... Okkkkkkk .......
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Old 04-15-2011, 09:15 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I don't really have to. Because while I think there is a lot of parity at the top of the division between the best fighters like Nate, Sonnen, Okami, Palhares, Maia and Belfort, I think Bisping loses 1-on-1 with each of them. I've said before that Bisping has a real talent for beating the B-level fighters in the division, but he is not even in my top 8. He MAY be able to out-wrestle Belfort and he MIGHT be able to out-point Palhares, but he wouldn't be able to out-wrestle or out-box Nate or Sonnen. He'd more likely than not get subbed by Maia or Palhares. And he'd probably get ground in to a pulp by Okami.
So in the case of Sonnen as you stated above you are rating him on actual results not on speculation of what you think he would or would not achieve which is fair enough, but in Bispings case you choose to assume that he would lose to the other top guys and just ignore the facts about his record been near identical to the guy you rank No.2 but chose to leave him out of the top 10 never mind top 5 all together.

Sounds like a Biased way to rank fighters to me, seem like if you like a fighter you are willing to bend the rules in there favor and if you don't you change the rules to work against them.
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Old 04-15-2011, 09:18 AM   #15 (permalink)
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So in the case of Sonnen as you stated above you are rating him on actual results not on speculation of what you think he would or would not achieve which is fair enough, but in Bispings case you choose to assume that he would lose to the other top guys and just ignore the facts about his record been near identical to the guy you rank No.2 but chose to leave him out of the top 10 never mind top 5 all together.

Sounds like a Biased way to rank fighters to me, seem like if you like a fighter you are willing to bend the rules in there favor and if you don't you change the rules to work against them.
Wait I misread your post. So who said I ranked Okami #2 anyway? I didn't. But disregarding that. You are picking and chosing your metrics on which you presume I am basing my rankings on, because I never even posted what I would rank any of these fighters. But if I were to have, I wouldn't blindly base it on win-loss records. Like in college football, since all the teams don't get a chance to play each other, they take in to account strength of schedule. Michael Bispings has been particularly weak, and the times he's fought tougher opponents he has lost, which, along with his fighting style and particular skillset, leads me to believe he would lose to the guys I listed. You may chose to rank guys based on their win loss records, in which case, Chael Sonnen at 4-4 UFC and 25-11 lifetime really shouldn't be considered top 10, but that wouldn't really be a valuable metric to the rest of us.
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Lol, yea cause I really love Chael Sonnen
Your ranking argument worked against Sonnen because most would rank him higher based on speculation of his skills and how well he did against Silva, where as you looked at what he has actually achieved in terms of victories and took the Silva fight as what it was, a loss for Sonnen so therefore chose not to improve his ranking based on a fight that he lost, which to a point I actually agree with.

But then you twist these rules for Bisping and start working on speculation on what you think he would achieve and ignore the facts about the fights he has won, so its like you dislike both fighters and played 2 different ways against them to shoot them down the rankings.
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Why's that so funny? Sonnen hasn't fought since last August. Okami is 2-0 and Nate is 2-1, his loss coming to Okami, since last August.

Since rejoining the UFC Sonnen's illustrious record is 3-2 (4-4 overall) with 3 UD's. In the same time period Okami is 3-1 (10-2 overall) with 1 TKO, and Nate is 4-2 (10-4 overall) with 3 KOs.

Sonnen has UD wins over both Okami and Nate, while he also has a losses in the UFC to Maia and Horn, both who Nate beat soundly.

Aside from roiding and then getting subbed by Silva, what has Sonnen done that clearly puts him in the number 2 spot above the rest of the division? I don't get the lol.
Looking at your equation here Bisping is 4-2 same as Nate who you have 3rd, one of Bisping losses been a very suspected bad decision going against him and one of Nates wins been a very unusual incident in a fight that many in the majority of fans otherwise believe he would have lost badly in.
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Looking at your equation here Bisping is 4-2 same as Nate who you have 3rd, one of Bisping losses been a very suspected bad decision going against him and one of Nates wins been a very unusual incident in a fight that many in the majority of fans otherwise believe he would have lost badly in.
Like I said before, I never posted any rankings in this thread. So where you're getting my #2, 3 and below from are beyond me. An earlier poster laughed that Sonnen was below Okami and Nate. I don't see why that is so funny. The guys up there are practically interchangeable, but at least Okami and Nate are still fighting, as I illustrated in my post, which had nothing to do with Bisping.

And also, the loss of Bispings you're alluding to is laughable. The Axe Murdered completely outclassed Bisping in that fight from start to finish. He almost finished Bisping twice. Bisping was hopeless locked in a guillotine before the bell rang, and he was brutally dropped right before the bell rang ending the 3rd.

And the fight between Nate and PaulHarris is without question. PaulHarris is a one trick pony and when Nate escaped his heel hook he dropped a hammer on him and then proceeded to rain down multiple unanswered and undefended blows to his mouth. "fans believe he would have lost badly" otherwise? Yea, that happens in fights, you sometimes might win if you don't first get your face smashed!
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And also, the loss of Bispings you're alluding to is laughable. The Axe Murdered completely outclassed Bisping in that fight from start to finish. He almost finished Bisping twice. Bisping was hopeless locked in a guillotine before the bell rang, and he was brutally dropped right before the bell rang ending the 3rd.

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Maybe thats how the Wandy vs Bisping fight went down in your dreams but it is nothing like what actually happed.

Bisping was caught in a guillotine at the end of the second and was dropped at the end of the 3rd although that shot did not hurt him half as bad as most make out, but that accounted for only a total of less than 1 minute of the fight, the other 14 mins of that fight was Bisping getting the better of Silva throughout the entire fight.
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Maybe thats how the Wandy vs Bisping fight went down in your dreams but it is nothing like what actually happed.

Bisping was caught in a guillotine at the end of the second and was dropped at the end of the 3rd although that shot did not hurt him half as bad as most make out, but that accounted for only a total of less than 1 minute of the fight, the other 14 mins of that fight was Bisping getting the better of Silva throughout the entire fight.
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