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Old 04-15-2011, 01:30 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I watched it a couple times after the fight but haven't seen it in forever. I remember thinking that had Shields not maintained his composure and looked so relaxed every time Kampmann went for a sub the scoring would have looked drastically different.
I think you might be right about Shields' composure. But I also think if Shields hadn't shot for the double when he got kneed, making it look like he got dropped, it also wouldn't have been a split decision.

But it's been a long time since I've seen it too. All I know is Shields was looking at the clock, gassed, not three minutes in and he still imposed his will on Kampmann.
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Old 04-15-2011, 01:54 AM   #32 (permalink)
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The obvious choice here would be Kampmann but I wouldn't be so sure about it. Howard hits pretty damn hard and while he was outclassed by Thiago Alves on the feet, I just don't see Kampmann giving him the same problems. We all saw what happened to Kampann when he went up against a heavy handed Paul Daley.
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Old 04-15-2011, 01:15 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Mind if I asked how many times you watched that fight? Sometimes it's really hard to remember exactly what happened when you a. haven't seen a fight in a few months or b. only watched it two or three times.
I think the only round in question is the 2nd round. Shields clearly won the 1st and Kampmann clearly won the 3rd round.

Go back and watch the 2nd round though, the ONLY thing that Shields did was get takedowns. Kampmann actually landed more strikes from the bottom than Shields did from the top and Shields didn't attempt a single submission in the 2nd round while Kampmann attempted several. Shields got a couple take downs but Kampmann got 2 knock downs from the knees (you can contest the 2nd one as a double attempt, but the 1st knock down was a no-brainer), which I definitely score more than take downs, especially when Kampmann reversed several of them.

Joe Rogen at the 3nd of the keeps saying "I think that may have lost him the round" because Shields reversed Kampmann with 1:30 left to go in the fight, completely disregarding that Kampmann had just been completely dominating the first 3:30 minutes of the round. What logic is that?

29-28 Kampmann. Maybe it wasn't Shields best performance because of the weight cut or whatever, but Kampmann won that fight. I've watched it over and over.
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Old 04-15-2011, 02:09 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I think the only round in question is the 2nd round. Shields clearly won the 1st and Kampmann clearly won the 3rd round.

Go back and watch the 2nd round though, the ONLY thing that Shields did was get takedowns. Kampmann actually landed more strikes from the bottom than Shields did from the top and Shields didn't attempt a single submission in the 2nd round while Kampmann attempted several. Shields got a couple take downs but Kampmann got 2 knock downs from the knees (you can contest the 2nd one as a double attempt, but the 1st knock down was a no-brainer), which I definitely score more than take downs, especially when Kampmann reversed several of them.

Joe Rogen at the 3nd of the keeps saying "I think that may have lost him the round" because Shields reversed Kampmann with 1:30 left to go in the fight, completely disregarding that Kampmann had just been completely dominating the first 3:30 minutes of the round. What logic is that?

29-28 Kampmann. Maybe it wasn't Shields best performance because of the weight cut or whatever, but Kampmann won that fight. I've watched it over and over.

I agree about the round in question. But when you look at the whacko judge that gave Kampmann the fight, he gave it to him 30-27.


It should have been a unanimous decision, 29-28 for Shields.
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Old 04-15-2011, 02:45 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Great fight.

Howard definitely has the power to knock Kampmann out but I think "The Hitman" will do it.

Comfortable decision or submission
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Old 04-15-2011, 04:15 PM   #36 (permalink)
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This is gonna be fireworks. Kampmann looks like he could cut down to 155lbs though. Problem with him is, he's just not that cerebral of a fighter. If he did his homework against Daley he could have used his underated ground game against em. Shields well, can't complain cuz I had money on Shields even though I knew Kampmann was very close to winning.

He comes in with poor game planning coupled with some bad luck I think...
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This is gonna be fireworks. Kampmann looks like he could cut down to 155lbs though. Problem with him is, he's just not that cerebral of a fighter. If he did his homework against Daley he could have used his underated ground game against em. Shields well, can't complain cuz I had money on Shields even though I knew Kampmann was very close to winning.

He comes in with poor game planning coupled with some bad luck I think...
I am really not sure it has anything to do with him having bad game planning. Paul Daley has decent enough TDD. Just because you get taken down by Kos doesn't mean you have bad TDD, Kos is one of the best. Kampmann doesn't have great takedowns. I'm not sure he would have had a much success taking Daley down in the first place.
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I am really not sure it has anything to do with him having bad game planning. Paul Daley has decent enough TDD. Just because you get taken down by Kos doesn't mean you have bad TDD, Kos is one of the best. Kampmann doesn't have great takedowns. I'm not sure he would have had a much success taking Daley down in the first place.
It seemed like he might have taken Daley lightly. Kampmann has the skills to be a great fighter, but he always finds a way to lose.
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From what he said after the fight, Kampmann seems to have learnt from his mistakes vs daley. Kampmann wins this.
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Old 04-15-2011, 06:57 PM   #40 (permalink)
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hopefully kampmann breezes through this fight and doesn't let it go to a decision!
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