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post #51 of 56 (permalink) Old 04-17-2011, 12:38 PM
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In retrospect, I suppose my comments were more in line with ROFLCopter than you. Good response, and I agree with you in general about MMA math. As I said, I'd much rather see the two men fight, because we could all go on and on about who could do what to who. In the end, that gets us no where.

Bobby. I fancy GSP would defeat Carlos, but that fight has always intrigued me, and I know it does others, as well. It's not just about who can beat GSP, but about who can pose a challenge, offer a scrap, or make him work for a victory. Shields can. Carlos would. And I imagine there are other names, as well. For the same reason I want to see Anderson remain at 185 for a fight with Okami, a rematch with Sonnen, and potential bouts with up and coming 185ers, I'd like to see GSP remain at WW for a little while yet. In the same way that there are still fights for Anderson at MW, there are still fights for GSP at WW. Why should a dominant champion be forced to vacate his title and move on? The whole point in being champion is that you deserve to be where you are... that you aren't easily stopped.

And just because the current contenders aren't offering GSP much of a challenge (this will change with Jake) doesn't mean there isn't a contender on the horizon, or even currently working his way up the division. Imagine if Matt Hughes had abandoned WW before prime GSP had a chance to square off with him... no history in the making, no clash of the titans, and no passing of the torch. What if the next WW prodigy just so happens to come along in the span of a year but there's no King to dethrone? Especially given the prospects at WW right now that have people talking. I know some fans are about the here and now, but again, I think GSP can stay active at WW for a little while yet.
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In retrospect, I suppose my comments were more in line with ROFLCopter than you. Good response, and I agree with you in general about MMA math. As I said, I'd much rather see the two men fight, because we could all go on and on about who could do what to who. In the end, that gets us no where.

Bobby. I fancy GSP would defeat Carlos, but that fight has always intrigued me, and I know it does others, as well. It's not just about who can beat GSP, but about who can pose a challenge, offer a scrap, or make him work for a victory. Shields can. Carlos would. And I imagine there are other names, as well. For the same reason I want to see Anderson remain at 185 for a fight with Okami, a rematch with Sonnen, and potential bouts with up and coming 185ers, I'd like to see GSP remain at WW for a little while yet.

Just because the current contenders aren't offering GSP much of a challenge (this will change with Jake) doesn't mean there isn't a contender on the horizon, or even currently working his way up the division. Imagine if Matt Hughes had abandoned WW before prime GSP had a chance to defeat him... no history in the making, no clash of the titans, and no passing of the torch. What if the next WW prodigy just so happens to come along in the span of a year but there's no King to dethrone? Especially given the prospects at WW right now that have people talking. I know some fans are about the here and now, but again, I think GSP can stay active at WW for a little while yet.
Matt Hughes got beat by a LW Psycho.. far from being GSP.

So, if GSP destroys Shields will you believe me then that GSP has only two options left??

Or will you still ask for the Condit fight, because your a Fan of him?
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Matt Hughes was the GSP of his time. Stop being difficult!

If GSP destroys Shields (half of me expects this, while the other half knows that Jake always seems to flourish in the face of adversity), then I will, and indeed already have admitted that GSP needs a greater test. If Shields, Fitch, and the like can't even make a dent, it's not very hopeful for the rest. That should not suggest, however, that I don't believe that fights with Condit and the like wouldn't be fun. And I am in no way a Condit fan... at least no more than your average MMA fan. But I appreciate what he brings to the table and I can see him making GSP work. Some people find that boring, while others don't. I also think that if Condit earns the shot, then he should get it regardless of his chances, for the same reason that Okami is getting his crack.

That's the other side of the coin that people do not think about. First and foremost seems to be that GSP is happy at WW, but we need appreciate that these other fighters DESERVE a shot at the P4P WW King. Defeating GSP seems to mean a heck of a lot more than actually winning the title... unless we're talking Fitch, who knows he can't defeat GSP and would be happy to win the belt by default against a lesser opponent (his post fight interviews following the draw with BJ were rather sad and telling in this regard). Guys like Carlos and Jake are different... sure, the belt is spiffy and what-not, but being the first man to defeat prime Georges St. Pierre seems to be the real test... the real goal... the real achievement. Few of us tend to think about that, because we want to see GSP move up in weight. But his doing so would drastically lower the bar for every other WW in the division.
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Matt Hughes was the GSP of his time. Stop being difficult!

If GSP destroys Shields (half of me expects this, while the other half knows that Jake always seems to flourish in the face of adversity), then I will, and indeed already have admitted that GSP needs a greater test. If Shields, Fitch, and the like can't even make a dent, it's not very hopeful for the rest. That should not suggest, however, that I don't believe that fights with Condit and the like wouldn't be fun. And I am in no way a Condit fan... at least no more than your average MMA fan. But I appreciate what he brings to the table and I can see him making GSP work. Some people find that boring, while others don't. I also think that if Condit earns the shot, then he should get it regardless of his chances, for the same reason that Okami is getting his crack.

That's the other side of the coin that people do not think about. First and foremost seems to be that GSP is happy at WW, but we need appreciate that these other fighters DESERVE a shot at the P4P WW King. Defeating GSP seems to mean a heck of a lot more than actually winning the title... unless we're talking Fitch, who knows he can't defeat GSP and would be happy to win the belt by default against a lesser opponent (his post fight interviews following the draw with BJ were rather sad and telling in this regard). Guys like Carlos and Jake are different... sure, the belt is spiffy and what-not, but being the first man to defeat prime Georges St. Pierre seems to be the real test... the real goal... the real achievement. Few of us tend to think about that, because we want to see GSP move up in weight. But his doing so would drastically lower the bar for every other WW in the division.
So we do agree finally^^ thank God

And thats the thing! GSP does in no way have to stop being the WW Champion. Like I said earlier, everybody moved in weight classes before and GSP all over sudden is the one who can not? Seems curious to me..

He can do the same as BJ did, Silva did and keep his WW belt and fight for the MW belt to hold two titles like BJ tried before. If he loses he is back at WW and in this time we might even get a worthy opponent again!

but no GSP is the only fighter in the World who can not do this of course. Seems logical to me lol^^
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No disrespect to GSP, but I think he would have a tough time with Silva's length and overall size advantage. Saying Jake Shields could beat Silva is laughable imo.
I tend to agree - I think Silva would beat both of them handily. Andy beats up big guys, GSP beats up little guys; no disrespect to GSP - the guys amazing - but sorry he's not going to throw Silva around like he does to the 5'9ers like Serra, Hughes and Koscheck, no way.

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that one inch is overall wingspan and GSPs is large because of how wide his back/torso is. Silva's arms and legs (especially legs) are a little more significantly larger. That said I do think both Shields and GSP are capable of beating Silva but I would still have Silva as the betting favorite in both matchups
I don't know what tape measure they used, but I'd bet my last dollar that in reality, Silva's reach is more than just an inch longer than GSPs, just based on the eyeball test.

Agreed- Silva would be betting favorite over both.

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Josh Koscheck is a small guy? He says he's 195 pounds and publically challenged Tito Ortiz because he thought he could compete against a LHW!

And Koscheck is an NCAA Division I champion, he would take down Silva and hold him down with ease.
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