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Old 04-17-2011, 04:37 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Practice doesn't mean much anyway. I get outstruck sometimes in basic sparring but when we do full on it's a totally different story, because leg kicks at 10% are just annoying but leg kicks at 100% will make you a totally different fighter (a handicapped one). Same with wrestling, same with jitz, etc.


Rashad has huge violent take-downs and I'm sure he's much gentler in training. Same with Jones.


I hope this fight ends in a double KO honestly. A giant slam maybe that knocks both people out.
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Old 04-17-2011, 05:18 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Practice doesn't mean much anyway. I get outstruck sometimes in basic sparring but when we do full on it's a totally different story, because leg kicks at 10% are just annoying but leg kicks at 100% will make you a totally different fighter (a handicapped one). Same with wrestling, same with jitz, etc.
Yeah, this makes a lot of sense. Not to mention, Jones may have thought he had the shot to finish, but I can't even come close to counting all the times I'll be sitting in a position, trying something I need practice on thinking that I've got a sweep or a finish in my back pocket that I can go to if I need it. Then I need it and it doesn't work, all the while I had been sitting thinking I could end it whenever I wanted.
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Old 04-17-2011, 05:25 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Yeah, this makes a lot of sense. Not to mention, Jones may have thought he had the shot to finish, but I can't even come close to counting all the times I'll be sitting in a position, trying something I need practice on thinking that I've got a sweep or a finish in my back pocket that I can go to if I need it. Then I need it and it doesn't work, all the while I had been sitting thinking I could end it whenever I wanted.
Yeah very good point. I've had some things in tight and thought "I could just close the gap and squeeze and I'd have him." Then you go to do it and they get out and they're on top. FML haha.


But yeah if Rashad and Jones did 100% live sparring in a cage a few times a week and Rashad always got the best of it, that'd be something. But this is nothing like that.
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Old 04-17-2011, 05:25 PM   #44 (permalink)
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"Yeah, you know, I could finish him, but why would I? I mean why finish him when I could be nice and look like a loser..."

I call bullsh*t.
Because training is not like competing, the idea when sparing or rolling is not to finish and risk injury on your training partner, but to instead find a balance that develops you to work together and and develops both fighters.
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Old 04-17-2011, 08:14 PM   #45 (permalink)
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First to admit I did not think he would beat Shogun.
But I did not realise what a big LHW he is.He looked like a HW.
Still respect - but he is heading for a fall
Same here, and yeah he is humongous. I don't think he will be at lhw for too long especially after hes 25-27.
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Old 04-17-2011, 08:39 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Same here, and yeah he is humongous. I don't think he will be at lhw for too long especially after hes 25-27.
Shogun is just fat for LHW. Just looking at him, he looked at about 7-8% body fat. Jones is ripped, tall and lanky, so that's why the difference looks like a lot. He probably walks around at 6% body fat. I think he said he was at 4% body fat before the fight in an interview. He probably walks around at 220.

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Old 04-18-2011, 10:40 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Because training is not like competing, the idea when sparing or rolling is not to finish and risk injury on your training partner, but to instead find a balance that develops you to work together and and develops both fighters.
The goal when rolling is ALWAYS to finish, and to gain and maintain the most dominant position possible.

Not going for the finish grappling is senseless. And there's a difference between going for a sub, and trying to break a limb. Anyone who's done it knows it.
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Old 04-18-2011, 11:10 AM   #48 (permalink)
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This is so fricken petty. Like school girls...guess they're playing mind games.

All I can say is that SOMEBODY GONNA GET HURT REAL BAD HERE...
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The goal when rolling is ALWAYS to finish, and to gain and maintain the most dominant position possible.

Not going for the finish grappling is senseless. And there's a difference between going for a sub, and trying to break a limb. Anyone who's done it knows it.
At the gym we go to, they do use subs and try to win/finish but not to the point of purposely inflicting injury. There is a balance but not like that KS rolling is different than sparring, you try to limit risk by paying attention to your sparring partner not by dumbing down your entire session.

Most gyms have rules about sparring, there are a lot of different gyms with a lot of different rules/guidelines and some with none at all so I think the answer to who dose what really depends on the gym and the fighter IMO.
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