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Old 04-17-2011, 12:21 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Lol @ BJ winning the first fight. He won round 1, then GSP remembered what head movement is and won round 2 + 3 without taking any more damage. How it was a split decision I'll never understand.


edit: as for the "greasing" scandal, one thing people never thought about somehow: it's NOT easier holding someone down and GnP or getting take-downs when you're slippery.
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Old 04-17-2011, 01:53 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I know I am one of the few but BJ Penn vs GSP 3. Say what you want but after the way BJ out wrestled Fitch for 2 rounds I want to see the trilogy completed.
I'm sorry toxic... but I thoroughly disagree with you. The second fight was a complete and utter domination. I see no reason to think that GSP vs. Penn 3 would be any different than part 2. Yeah, GSP did well against Fitch. He took him to a draw (that he should have lost btw), but GSP also raped Fitch. Penn would get raped again.
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Old 04-17-2011, 01:58 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Lol @ BJ winning the first fight. He won round 1, then GSP remembered what head movement is and won round 2 + 3 without taking any more damage. How it was a split decision I'll never understand.


edit: as for the "greasing" scandal, one thing people never thought about somehow: it's NOT easier holding someone down and GnP or getting take-downs when you're slippery.
Thank you! Not pointing any fingers but some people act like the "greasing" was the reason GSP got the victory when in fact he was whooping that ass for 4 straight rounds and just had his way with Penn.
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Old 04-17-2011, 04:40 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Thank you! Not pointing any fingers but some people act like the "greasing" was the reason GSP got the victory when in fact he was whooping that ass for 4 straight rounds and just had his way with Penn.
Am not say that GSP could not have won the fight without the grease, but what ever way you look at it him and his team or ether him or his team broke the rules and went completely unpunished.

And I do believe it had an effect in the fight, which may have had a possible effect on the result. fact is you can't be 100% certain if it effected the result or not.

Even with the way the fight went down, sure GSP wa wining the TD's and BJ was having to work from his back, not really a good place to be with a guy like GSP I know, but fact is it was effecting BJ's ability to hold guard, so maybe two things.

First thing maybe BJ was taking more damage than he should have been taking making it harder for him work and recover from each TD therefore turning the fight more into GSP's favor as the fight progressed making a comeback less likely.

Secondly there is the obvious ability that since his ability to hold full guard was effected this obviously could have effected BJ's ability to at least attempt certain submissions.

So to say it effected the fight is true, so to assume it effected the result ins speculation on ether account, its not right to say BJ would have won that fight if not fir the greasing but at the same time its not right to say that GSP would have won anyway because we simply will never know.

As for the argument that saved GSP from the commission about his team applying the Vaseline between rounds without his knowledge or permission, does not really matter, fact is should not really matter he it was him or his team at ringside that broke the rules, they should all have been judged as one unit and the commission should have set an example if not overturning the result to a disqualification loss to GSP which is exactly what I think should have happened, they should have at least ruled it a No Contest, all that despite if or not you think GSP would have still won if not for the grease.
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The problem with saying it's not a legitimate win because GSP is greasing overlooks the fact that Penn has been taken down repeatedly in his last few fights in the same fashion as the GSP vs Penn II.
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The 2 best fighters on the planet right now are Cain Valasquez and Junior Dos Santos. And they will fight very soon

Did you mean the 2 best fighters respectively in their own weight class, or 2 best on the planet? Gsp and all them can't be included if that's the case, Cain would toss those halflings like they stole something.
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The problem with saying it's not a legitimate win because GSP is greasing overlooks the fact that Penn has been taken down repeatedly in his last few fights in the same fashion as the GSP vs Penn II.
Yea and when judging the out come of this fight every other fight before or after should be overlooked because it has nothing to to with the proceedings that took place in this one particular fight.

Fact is it should not matter if GSP would have still won or not, what anyone thinks the result would have been if not for the greasing is completely irrelevant the only relevant question is, did GSP and his team break the rules? to which the answer is YES, so therefore some action should have been taken to correct the wrong doings of GSP and his team.
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The 2 best fighters on the planet right now are Cain Valasquez and Junior Dos Santos. And they will fight very soon

Did you mean the 2 best fighters respectively in their own weight class, or 2 best on the planet? Gsp and all them can't be included if that's the case, Cain would toss those halflings like they stole something.
I wasn't clear on my OP, but I wasn't talking about pound-for-pound (I would have to say GSP and A Silva PFP, but I agree that they'd get manhandled by the big guys), but the best 2 fighters. I'm talking the two baddest guys on the planet, PERIOD. Cain is a lock for me, but who's his biggest competition? Cain and JDS? Maybe, but I think JBJ could pack on 20lbs of muscle easily on his big frame and he'd be a handful for any HW, so I am going to stick with Cain vs. JBJ.
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I'm sorry toxic... but I thoroughly disagree with you. The second fight was a complete and utter domination. I see no reason to think that GSP vs. Penn 3 would be any different than part 2. Yeah, GSP did well against Fitch. He took him to a draw (that he should have lost btw), but GSP also raped Fitch. Penn would get raped again.
Penn should have lost against Fitch? Are you kidding me? BJ whooped Fitch for 2 rounds before seemingly giving up in round 3. As for Penn/GSP 2, well you know what I am not convinced that the grease did not effect the fight. BJ routinely would pull guard during his time competing in BJJ and has always had a tremendous amount of control from his guard something he seemed completely incapable of using against GSP. Fitch, Hughes, nobody in BJ's entire career before or since has made BJ's guard look so worthless. I don't believe its a coincidence. BJ proved against Fitch that he deserves to be discussed when talking about the best wrestlers in the ww division. BJ is once of the best strikers, one of the best wrestlers (see the Fitch fight) and has one of the best ground games (#1 or 2 with Shields being the other IMO). You can say the grease would have had little effect on the rest of the fight but the fact is that BJ has always had confidence issues that have effected his performance and his inability to mount any kind of control or offense from his guard would likely have hurt his confidence drastically changing Penn's entire performance in all aspects. Bring on GSP/Penn 3 because I honestly believe they are both top 5 fighters if not top 3 in all of mma.
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Old 04-17-2011, 07:23 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Yeah these two would smash anyone IMO at HW or below. They'd both kill Jones, Silva, GSP, anyone else you want to consider "P4P" if this were Pride and we had freakshow fights.
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