Here it is...... JUST ANNOUNCED
If Chuck Liddell wins against Babalu then in NOVEMBER 2006 he will face...
Wanderlei Silva
If Chuck Liddell wins against Babalu then in NOVEMBER 2006 he will face...
Wanderlei Silva
why use roids when HGH give you much better return plus no major side effects and I do not beelive it is on the banned substance list since it is a natuarlly occuring hormone in the human body?Cbingham said:Thank god, some one finally sees the forrest for the trees, yes UFC does random drug tests, Pride does not. I dont know for sure and I am not making any accusations but I beleive Vanderlei does dabble in the steroids, hell if I knew that I could do it and not get caught I would.
just another reason why UFC is better than Pride, they level the playing feild, Barry Bonds is a cheater so is Josh Barnett and Fedor.
IronMan said:Firstly, Pride does test for roids. I don't know who your insider is, but they're wrong. Silva is to controlled to be on PCP or any other kind of drug when he steps into the ring. Drugs like PCP limit the precision of strikes and Silva obviously has no problems with his precision.
Silva v Liddell won't happen, at least not any time soon, but I'm going to go with Silva. Silva has to deal with some of the best strikers in the world in Pride, but Liddell gets to choose his opponents. As Rampage made abundantly clear, Chuck is soft compared to the Pride heavyhitters.
haha, good point, but testostorone is also a naturally occuring hormone and you can't use testostorone enhancing drugs, like the guy who just won the Tour De France, that is what he is under investigation for.The Don said:why use roids when HGH give you much better return plus no major side effects and I do not beelive it is on the banned substance list since it is a natuarlly occuring hormone in the human body?
right on, agree 100% ^^^IronMan said:Firstly, Pride does test for roids. I don't know who your insider is, but they're wrong. Silva is to controlled to be on PCP or any other kind of drug when he steps into the ring. Drugs like PCP limit the precision of strikes and Silva obviously has no problems with his precision.
Silva v Liddell won't happen, at least not any time soon, but I'm going to go with Silva. Silva has to deal with some of the best strikers in the world in Pride, but Liddell gets to choose his opponents. As Rampage made abundantly clear, Chuck is soft compared to the Pride heavyhitters.
This will be a cake walk for wand. I don't care what anyone says. CHuck hasn't fought real good opponents in the UFC. I believe that both wins over randy were flukes. One was a thumb in the eye and the other a slip. Quinton killed chuck. Doesn't anyone remeber that? Chuck hasn't came that much since then.dragonfly61 said:Wanderlai Silva over Lidell....easy....come on now. I wouldn't say he couldn't beat Chuck...but easy......NO WAY!! :laugh:
Nobody here is making any excuses, we are debating every aspect of the potential fight. As for who has fought more quality fighters, you are retarded if you think that Vanderlei has fought more. Chuck has KOed the best in the business, Vanderlei has fought some good guys but mostly no-name JAPS, And half of the fights he has had with top guys are losses. All it takes is one punch from Chuck, just one, and its back to Japan or should I say exile for Vanderlei.609throwdown said:right on, agree 100% ^^^
can you hear that? the excuses are already starting for the ufc nuthuggers, i think thats fear huh? you guys scared cause wandy could run all through 185, 205 and the hw and take all 3 belts do your homework nerds, wandy has fought way more quality guys than chuck, i know chuck has ko'd dudes who have never been ko'd but wandy fights and has fought the top ranked hw in the world and they couldn't put wandy to sleep, when wandy fights chuck and destroys him all you're gonna hear is a silence over the crowd and dana white cryin cause wandy just dethroned his boy
Firstly, you didn't use anything to prove that he was so "new" to the MMA game as you say. If he was so green please explain to me why such a green fighter goes on to beat Sakuraba in his very next fight, and that he had fought in Pride a year before the Wanderlei fight with Takada (Pride 17 for reference). Also who puts a "green" fighter in with Silva, Sakuraba, Fujita, Heath Herring and Igor with in a year, and then Nog just a little bit after? Yeah give me a break.....no one throws a complete MMA gnub to the lions like that, not to mention he went on to win every fight AFTER Silva, so that my friend is a BS excuse.Cbingham said:Alright man, is it true or not that the Silva Cro-cop fight was a K-1 vs. Pride deal? At the time Cro-Cop was in large part new to MMA, I am no "n00by" I know alot about it and have followed MMA for years. Its a fact not an oppinion that he was new to the MMA game.
Second Chuck gets most of his KO's by counterpunching a guy who hunts him down, thats his style that is what he does, only in a select few fights is he the aggressor like the Tito vs. Chuck fight. He KOed Couture while being hunted down, he KOed Randleman, White, Horn, Babalu, who all hunted him down. not to mention his other victories over Belfort, Bustamante, Suloev, Jones, and Monson, ext. all were the agressors. I can't beleive you call me a newby, yet you claim that Chuck Liddell does not have much success when being hunted down, when does Chuck not have success, he holds the record for most wins in the UFC, and has only lost 3 times. NEWBY!
What is your obsession with this Cro-Cop green thing? Its a simple fact man, at that time he WAS a K-1 fighter, not too much MMA experience, how much more simple can I make this? Just because he went on to have alot of success does not mean that at one point he was not new to the game. Everyone starts somewhere, when he came into Pride he was already a damn good striker, that is how he went on to beat the fighters listed. Give it a rest man, its a fact, a FACT.FunkDoctor said:Firstly, you didn't use anything to prove that he was so "new" to the MMA game as you say. If he was so green please explain to me why such a green fighter goes on to beat Sakuraba in his very next fight, and that he had fought in Pride a year before the Wanderlei fight with Takada (Pride 17 for reference). Also who puts a "green" fighter in with Silva, Sakuraba, Fujita, Heath Herring and Igor with in a year, and then Nog just a little bit after? Yeah give me a break.....no one throws a complete MMA gnub to the lions like that, not to mention he went on to win every fight AFTER Silva, so that my friend is a BS excuse.
Secondly, have you watched any of the fights you listed??? Real question. White's a can, Horn, Busta, Suloev are all 185ers....yet Horn beat him. Vitor was winning the fight until that big shot and Randelman....Babalu was NOT the aggressor. He was tentative and sitting back plus Chuck KOd him with a high kick, Horn KOd Forrest with a high kick but I don't see that happening again. The thing is I'm not trying to bash on Chuck cuz I actually like him. But if you seen the fights he lost, he was not the aggressor. And what you need to understand by aggressor is I don't mean a guy coming forward, that doesn't mean shit. I mean a guy who is on top of Chuck all the time. If you seen any of his losses....everytime he lost the opposing fighter wasn't giving Chuck a second to breathe. Like I said Chuck's style is a bad one for Wand but so is vice versa.
The way you compare how they match up is looking at their previous fight, if we did'nt how would we know their styles? you dont make much sense. Its hard to talk about how they match up if you have never seen them fight.jdun11 said:Chuck Wasnt Losing To Vitor..he Won A Unimous Decision With 2 Judges Giving Him All 3 Rounds..its Was A Close Fight But Chuck Was Winning B4 That Knockdown..thats An Old Fight Ne Way, If Ur Gonna Bring That Fight And The Randleman Fight, We Might As Well Start Talkinbout Wandy Vs Vitor..but Lets Not Because Its Pointless ..if Ur Gonna Talk About This Fight Talk About How These Guys Match Up, Not Who They Faught Cuz Styles Make Fights
What makes Vanderlei a "world class kickboxer" I dont recall ever seeing him going up against Michael Mcdonald, or Enresto Houste, do you?IronMan said:OK, you want to talk about style, here it goes.
Chuck is a fighter from the Pit in SLO. His only traditional martial art is Hawaiian Kempo, which is not where his big looping right hands come from. Chuck is a brute force fighter who could best be compared to a skinny, controlled Tank Abbott with decent cardio.
Wanderlei is a world class kickboxer with solid form and good cardio. He's not as strong as Chuck, but his speed and conditioning help him put together combinations, which is something that Liddell hardly ever does.
The thing about this fight is that Chuck always has a puncher's chance, but Wandy has control and so he'd dominate most of the fight, even if he gets KO'd.
Christ get over it guys. Both fighters are world class LHWs, and there is NO, I repeat NO clear favorite. I LIKE pride over UFC, I LIKE Wand over Chuck, but in no way is this a 1 sided fight. CB, you just can't get your head around the fact it's an even fight. Stop bringing up the past to defend yourself. Chuck is a great fighter so is Wand, doubting either shows a lack of knowledge about the MMA world. Stating Wand got owned 6-8 years ago is old and getting weaker by the moment. Both these guys can go with the best of them, anytime, anywhere! If you really want to get down to it, Rua is as good, if not better than both. Either combo of the 3 fighting would be the fight of the year. Lets wait to see if Chuck gets by Babalu, Wand doesnt get hurt in the GP and then its on. I just want to see a good fight, no controversy!Cbingham said:What makes Vanderlei a "world class kickboxer" I dont recall ever seeing him going up against Michael Mcdonald, or Enresto Houste, do you?
Chuck is a pretty good kickboxer as is Silva, but Chuck was a very good division 1 wrestler, and has very good cardio, went four rounds with Jeremy Horn and never looked tired. He also puts together very good combinations, like against Tito, Babalu, J Horn. You can't compare Chuck to Tank in any way, Tank is a moron and has very few actuall skills...........to say Chuck Liddell has few skills shows nothing but ignorance.
What in the hell is your deal man? Why are you in the Chuck vs. Vanderlei thread if you don't want to argue about the favorite? This is not the "lets all agree about Chuck vs. Vanderlei" thread!!!! If you can't deal with it then dont come in here!! And your stupid remark about bringing up the past....without the past there is no present, understand? Debating the fighters pasts' is the only way to make sound judgement on what they will do in the future, unless you have a better way. Which I am sure you do, seeing as how you are smart enough to know who the better fighter is without watching and analyzing their previous fights! You are a smart guy, smart smart smart.PitbullX said:Christ get over it guys. Both fighters are world class LHWs, and there is NO, I repeat NO clear favorite. I LIKE pride over UFC, I LIKE Wand over Chuck, but in no way is this a 1 sided fight. CB, you just can't get your head around the fact it's an even fight. Stop bringing up the past to defend yourself. Chuck is a great fighter so is Wand, doubting either shows a lack of knowledge about the MMA world. Stating Wand got owned 6-8 years ago is old and getting weaker by the moment. Both these guys can go with the best of them, anytime, anywhere! If you really want to get down to it, Rua is as good, if not better than both. Either combo of the 3 fighting would be the fight of the year. Lets wait to see if Chuck gets by Babalu, Wand doesnt get hurt in the GP and then its on. I just want to see a good fight, no controversy!
Right. Thanks for the tip there tough guy. Why argue with a moron who can't see past his own ass, and claims Wand has "slim chance" then won't back it up with odds?!? You know very little if you think Wand can be judged by fights 6 years ago. 6 years ago, Fedor had yet to fight in the MMA world, Albert Pujols hadnt played a mlb game, Pavol Bure scored 59 goals in the NHL and Pat Miletich was the welterweight champ... but OK lets live in the past....Cbingham said:What in the hell is your deal man? Why are you in the Chuck vs. Vanderlei thread if you don't want to argue about the favorite? This is not the "lets all agree about Chuck vs. Vanderlei" thread!!!! If you can't deal with it then dont come in here!! And your stupid remark about bringing up the past....without the past there is no present, understand? Debating the fighters pasts' is the only way to make sound judgement on what they will do in the future, unless you have a better way. Which I am sure you do, seeing as how you are smart enough to know who the better fighter is without watching and analyzing their previous fights! You are a smart guy, smart smart smart.