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Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva, November 2006 - Just Announced

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#1 · (Edited)
Here it is...... JUST ANNOUNCED

If Chuck Liddell wins against Babalu then in NOVEMBER 2006 he will face...

Wanderlei Silva
 
#127 ·
PitbullX said:
Right. Thanks for the tip there tough guy. Why argue with a moron who can't see past his own ass, and claims Wand has "slim chance" then won't back it up with odds?!? You know very little if you think Wand can be judged by fights 6 years ago. 6 years ago, Fedor had yet to fight in the MMA world, Albert Pujols hadnt played a mlb game, Pavol Bure scored 59 goals in the NHL and Pat Miletich was the welterweight champ... but OK lets live in the past....
Ok, so how what should I use to base my judgement on, his last fight only? So if he loses a fight then he is terrible? Or if he wins then he must be the best? tell me something? what? how? and when? Honestly, why do you think that they keep track of their professional records? If I had a record of say, 2-1-0, and 6 years passed by since I won a fight, does my record go to 0-1-0? TRACK RECORDS IS WHAT YOU USE TO JUDGE FIGHTERS AND MOST ALL OTHER SPORTS!! THE PAST MATTERS........ALOT! And I already told you that I will back up what I say, but betting on the odds is a chickenshit way to bet, I told you to name your price, If I lose the I WILL PAY YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no doubt about it! So don't say I wont back it up i have told you repeatedly that I will.
 
#128 ·
Cbingham said:
Ok, so how what should I use to base my judgement on, his last fight only? So if he loses a fight then he is terrible? Or if he wins then he must be the best? tell me something? what? how? and when? Honestly, why do you think that they keep track of their professional records? If I had a record of say, 2-1-0, and 6 years passed by since I won a fight, does my record go to 0-1-0? TRACK RECORDS IS WHAT YOU USE TO JUDGE FIGHTERS AND MOST ALL OTHER SPORTS!! THE PAST MATTERS........ALOT! And I already told you that I will back up what I say, but betting on the odds is a chickenshit way to bet, I told you to name your price, If I lose the I WILL PAY YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no doubt about it! So don't say I wont back it up i have told you repeatedly that I will.
Right. You say Wand will lose and back it up with losing 6 years ago as your main point. Retarded, but it's you. I never said or judged a fighter using his last fights only as a basis, you said that! I use ALL his fights to determine my favs. A loss can sometimes be more beneficial than a win, but you wouldnt know that eh tough guy, you've never lost a fight I assume. You kick everyones ass.
The only chickshit on this forum is you and your mouth. If your gonna talk trash back it up, don't hide behind your monitor and act all tough guy then make lame assed excuses when your put to the test.
You said "slim chance", back it up, no more excuses, or are you man enough (LOLOLOLOLOL) to realize your mouth may have gotten the better of you....
 
#129 ·
PitbullX said:
Right. You say Wand will lose and back it up with losing 6 years ago as your main point. Retarded, but it's you. I never said or judged a fighter using his last fights only as a basis, you said that! I use ALL his fights to determine my favs. A loss can sometimes be more beneficial than a win, but you wouldnt know that eh tough guy, you've never lost a fight I assume. You kick everyones ass.
The only chickshit on this forum is you and your mouth. If your gonna talk trash back it up, don't hide behind your monitor and act all tough guy then make lame assed excuses when your put to the test.
You said "slim chance", back it up, no more excuses, or are you man enough (LOLOLOLOLOL) to realize your mouth may have gotten the better of you....
First off who said anything about being a tough guy? I did not threaten you or make any such comments, apparently you cant handle someone who disagrees with you, but instead of making a counterpoint and making some sense you make fun of me or call me some names, looks like you are the one with the "tough guy" syndrome. And second you just said that YOU use all of a fighters fights to base your judgement, so what is wrong with me using past fights to base mine? explain yourself. And I am in no way hiding, I told you if you want to place a bet with me name your price! for the last time, name your price or don't talk about making a bet with me! Everytime I tell you to name the price you change the subject or make some weak attempt to call me out, enough already put up or shut up! You have to take the odds because you are not sure, I am telling you that I TAKE CHUCK TO WIN, IF I WIN, I WIN, IF I LOSE I LOSE, SIMPLE AS THAT!
 
#130 ·
Cbingham said:
First off who said anything about being a tough guy? I did not threaten you or make any such comments, apparently you cant handle someone who disagrees with you, but instead of making a counterpoint and making some sense you make fun of me or call me some names, looks like you are the one with the "tough guy" syndrome. And second you just said that YOU use all of a fighters fights to base your judgement, so what is wrong with me using past fights to base mine? explain yourself. And I am in no way hiding, I told you if you want to place a bet with me name your price! for the last time, name your price or don't talk about making a bet with me! Everytime I tell you to name the price you change the subject or make some weak attempt to call me out, enough already put up or shut up! You have to take the odds because you are not sure, I am telling you that I TAKE CHUCK TO WIN, IF I WIN, I WIN, IF I LOSE I LOSE, SIMPLE AS THAT!
You got 1 thing right, your simple!
 
#132 ·
Cbingham said:
good one, there it is again, nothing to say....so you call me simple. haha, let me know if you wanna bet, I'll put $500.00 on Chuck to win.
You really want to bet on a fight thats not even official yet? Lets also bet on Silvia and Fedor as well. If the fight becomes official, you'll need a paypal account to put the money in escrow, then I'll bet, until then, moot point.

Lets try this then. YOU rate the fighter using this system, OK?
Just give the edge to either fighter.

1. Experience
2. Punching
3. Kicking/knees
4. Take downs
5. Ground
6. Size (reach and weight)
7. Chin (as in who has the better)
8. Opponent quality
9. Ring control
10. Stamina

This isnt a BS request, I just want to see how you rate them.
 
#133 ·
PitbullX said:
You really want to bet on a fight thats not even official yet? Lets also bet on Silvia and Fedor as well. If the fight becomes official, you'll need a paypal account to put the money in escrow, then I'll bet, until then, moot point.

Lets try this then. YOU rate the fighter using this system, OK?
Just give the edge to either fighter.

1. Experience
2. Punching
3. Kicking/knees
4. Take downs
5. Ground
6. Size (reach and weight)
7. Chin (as in who has the better)
8. Opponent quality
9. Ring control
10. Stamina

This isnt a BS request, I just want to see how you rate them.
Fine, if the fight comes to be, then I will do whatever is required to put $500 on Chuck.

Your little rating system brings me back to my original point, how would I know how to rate the two without using all of their past fights as a reference? but here it goes.

Chuck. on a scale from 1 to 10

1. Experience- 9

2. Punching- 10 KO power, great counterpunching and angles.

3. Kicking/Knees- 8.5 great kicks, haven't seen too many knees.

4. Take downs- 8 good division 1 wrestler, and the best takedown defense

5. Ground- 9 amazing ability to stand back up, good defense.

6. Size- 10 Great range when punching, good reach

7. Chin- 10 Never seen anyone REALLY hurt him, Rampage almost qualifies.

8. Opponent quality- 10 has beat the best of the best time and time again

9. Ring control- 9 finds his range and goes to work.

10. Stamina- 9.5 only time I saw him remotely tired was against Rampage



Vanderlei

1. Experience- 8 alot of fights some good fighters, alot of no names

2. Punching- 8 fast and powerfull. but often wild and un controlled

3. Kicks knees- 10 very good high kicks and devastating knees

4. take downs- 6 never seen a good one from him

5. ground- 6 good defense but thats it.

6. size- 9.5 good build and good range

7. Chin- 6 Tito put him down with one punch, but have seen some good moments.

8. Opponent quality- 6 some very good guys, alot of very bad guys

9. Ring control- 9 sometimes his wild agressiveness gives him control

10. Stamina- 10 good cardio.
 
#135 ·
Cbingham said:
Fine, if the fight comes to be, then I will do whatever is required to put $500 on Chuck.

Your little rating system brings me back to my original point, how would I know how to rate the two without using all of their past fights as a reference? but here it goes.

Chuck. on a scale from 1 to 10

1. Experience- 9

2. Punching- 10 KO power, great counterpunching and angles.

3. Kicking/Knees- 8.5 great kicks, haven't seen too many knees.

4. Take downs- 8 good division 1 wrestler, and the best takedown defense

5. Ground- 9 amazing ability to stand back up, good defense.

6. Size- 10 Great range when punching, good reach

7. Chin- 10 Never seen anyone REALLY hurt him, Rampage almost qualifies.

8. Opponent quality- 10 has beat the best of the best time and time again

9. Ring control- 9 finds his range and goes to work.

10. Stamina- 9.5 only time I saw him remotely tired was against Rampage



Vanderlei

1. Experience- 8 alot of fights some good fighters, alot of no names

2. Punching- 8 fast and powerfull. but often wild and un controlled

3. Kicks knees- 10 very good high kicks and devastating knees

4. take downs- 6 never seen a good one from him

5. ground- 6 good defense but thats it.

6. size- 9.5 good build and good range

7. Chin- 6 Tito put him down with one punch, but have seen some good moments.

8. Opponent quality- 6 some very good guys, alot of very bad guys

9. Ring control- 9 sometimes his wild agressiveness gives him control

10. Stamina- 10 good cardio.
See, now we have some debatable points, not just "he'll kick his ass" or "he lost 6 years ago". Ok, then here's mine. FYI, you have it 93 Chuck-79.5 Wand.

1. Experience Chuck 7.5 Wand 9 - Wands list is as impressive as Chucks + 37 fights to 21 is simple, more experience for Silva. Chuck has fought Couture and horn 5 times out of 21. Wand has fought 2 top 10 heavies and win or lose, hes been there more times.

2. Punching Chuck 9 Wand 7.5- Chuck is in the top 5 pound for pound, maybe higher than 5, Wand uses more attack combos, rather than the big KO and can get wild.

3. Kicking/Knees Chuck 6 Wand 9- Chuck rarely uses them as a weapon, sticking to the fists (1 big KO with a kick that was leaned into) knees are Wands big bombs, out of a muay thai clinch. Rampage was destroyed by him using this.

4. Takedowns- not really a specialty for either fighter even with Chucks wrestling backround, Wand can't use the knees on the ground so he may not bother and Chuck really doesn't try hard for the big takedowns both get 6 ( Fedor=10 thats how I compared them)

5. Ground- Chuck 7 Wand 5 most likely won't go there but Chucks wrestling backround gives him a decisive edge. Wand cant knee, he wont try hard either for a ground battle.

6. Size- Chuck 10 Wand 8.5- 3 inches and 6lbs with a better reach, clearly its gotta be Chuck.

7. Chin- Chuck 7 Wand 7- both have been exposed to Ko's on the button. neither has an iron chin. Wand took some good shots from Hunt proving its not that weak, Chuck from others, no real advantage. Both will go down if a good shot connects in this fight. (Hunt = 10 damn he can take the best shots)

8. Opp. quality Chuck 7 Wand 8.5- Chucks last fights have been against over the hill RC X3, Horn, who really has the experience, not the best quality, hes lost most fights to ranked opponents, under .500% White, Tito on the down fall and lost 2/3 previous ones. Wand has fought Cro-cop, HWs Hunt, Yoshida and Fujita, Rampage, Henderson & Arrona. Dont see this as 10-6 for Chuck?

9. Ring control Chuck 8 Wand 9- Chuck has really just been stalking his opponents down looking for the big KO shot, he has good control in the ring. Wand looks for more, unloading multiple attacks and relentless persuit of his opponents.

10. Stamina Chuck 8.5 Wand 9.5- Wands used to a 10 minute round. Chucks age has to become a factor in a long fight, both are well trained though, I highly doubt it will go the distance. Previous fight fatigue MAY be an issue.

So I have it 79- 75.5 Wand. Hard to give as many 10s as you did. !'ll use Fedor as a reference, just because he is simply the best pound for pound fighter in the world....period.
1-9 24 fights and multiple ***** tourneys
2-9.5 more than enough KO power
3-7 doesnt use them, never had to I guess
4-10 everyone goes down!
5-10 best G&P ever....ask NOG-submits guys from any position
6-9 not the biggest-undefeated nuff said
7-9.5 Got rocked then subs in less than 1min.
8-10 every top fighter has gone in and lost
9-10 covers you like a blanket
10-10 trains harder than just about anyone.
Fedor= 95!
 
#137 ·
PitbullX said:
As an aside, when mentioning Wand all you ever mentioned were his losses 6-8 years ago, never noting Chucks earlier defeats. That was all my point was!
Very aware of Chucks early losses, but I was using Vanderlei's losses to expose some weaknesses that Chuck matched up well against.

As for your list, the only one that I truly disagree with you on is, #8 opponent quality, I am not taking anything away from Vanderlei, he has fought some really tough guys, but the majority of fighters on his list are no names, whereas on Chuck's list there is 1 no namer, the rest are all top guys or were at one point.
 
#138 ·
Cbingham said:
Very aware of Chucks early losses, but I was using Vanderlei's losses to expose some weaknesses that Chuck matched up well against.

As for your list, the only one that I truly disagree with you on is, #8 opponent quality, I am not taking anything away from Vanderlei, he has fought some really tough guys, but the majority of fighters on his list are no names, whereas on Chuck's list there is 1 no namer, the rest are all top guys or were at one point.
"Were at one point" is my point Cbingham. Who has REALLY been a solid test for him? A fighter on top of his game. Heres the comparison...last 10 fights.

Chuck--Randy Couture- Jeremy Horn- Randy Couture- Vernon White- Tito Ortiz- Quinton Jackson- Alistair Overeem- Randy Couture- Renato Sobral- Vitor Belfort... 3X 40+ yo/Ortiz on the down slopes/Horn minor leaguer but tough/Overeem 6&4 in last 10/Rampage 2 KO losses to Wand/White...well/ Sobaral, you've even said its a no contest & they fought before/Vitor 5&5 in last 10. Granted, some names are reappearing on the top 10.

Wand--Kazuyuki Fujita-Ricardo Arona-Ricardo Arona-Kazuhiro Nakamura-Hidehiko Yoshida-Mark Hunt-Quinton Jackson-Yuki Kondo-Ikuhisa Minowa-Quinton Jackson... Some lesser knowns for sure but Arona ranked high in LHW, Hunt ranked top 10 HW and 5 Hw fights in last 10.

It's not a runaway, but Wand has a slight edge. Chuck has to fight some high ranked LHWs or go to HW and test himself. Wand has Crocop next, a legit top 3 HW, then maybe Barnett/Nog- 2 more top 10, hes in DEEEEP!

Would Chuck step up against Silvia or Arlovski? Rumour has it Fedor may drop to 205 to fight some LHWs...........ouch
 
#139 ·
PitbullX just give up against Cbingham its like arguing against a brick wall that predicts what your going to do or say next.

Anyways Chuck Liddell is going to win. Why? It's his yard and rules not Wanderleis. Plus the last time Wanderlei faught in the UFC he lost to Tito in four out of five rounds basically and before that to Vitor Belfort in 44 seconds. He's 1-2 in UFC. If it was Chuck coming to fight Wanderlei in PRIDE I would pick Wanderlei. Because Chuck sucks in PRIDE he lost to Quinton hes not used to the rules over there. He is going to win in the third round by TKO Strikes 3 minutes I guarantee and predict. Then all you PRIDE fans who moan and complain how the UFC sucks and PRIDE rules will cry and start watching UFC more and dump PRIDE down the drain and worship UFC.
 
#140 ·
Actually Rush, we've had a few decent posts in the last few days. It's been interesting seeing his POV, not just Wand sucks posts.

But you are now using his old logic. Wand lost in the UFC 6-8 years ago! No reason to believe that the octagon VS ring/UFC vs Pride rules will play that big of an affect on the fight. Granted its an advantage for Chuck, but not that big. Its not the determining factor!
 
#144 ·
Rush said:
PitbullX just give up against Cbingham its like arguing against a brick wall that predicts what your going to do or say next.

Anyways Chuck Liddell is going to win. Why? It's his yard and rules not Wanderleis. Plus the last time Wanderlei faught in the UFC he lost to Tito in four out of five rounds basically and before that to Vitor Belfort in 44 seconds. He's 1-2 in UFC. If it was Chuck coming to fight Wanderlei in PRIDE I would pick Wanderlei. Because Chuck sucks in PRIDE he lost to Quinton hes not used to the rules over there. He is going to win in the third round by TKO Strikes 3 minutes I guarantee and predict. Then all you PRIDE fans who moan and complain how the UFC sucks and PRIDE rules will cry and start watching UFC more and dump PRIDE down the drain and worship UFC.
Damnit Rush, you need to keep your mouth shut.
me and Pitbullx were arguing, but now having a good debate. so stay out of it.
 
#145 ·
PitbullX said:
"Were at one point" is my point Cbingham. Who has REALLY been a solid test for him? A fighter on top of his game. Heres the comparison...last 10 fights.

Chuck--Randy Couture- Jeremy Horn- Randy Couture- Vernon White- Tito Ortiz- Quinton Jackson- Alistair Overeem- Randy Couture- Renato Sobral- Vitor Belfort... 3X 40+ yo/Ortiz on the down slopes/Horn minor leaguer but tough/Overeem 6&4 in last 10/Rampage 2 KO losses to Wand/White...well/ Sobaral, you've even said its a no contest & they fought before/Vitor 5&5 in last 10. Granted, some names are reappearing on the top 10.

Wand--Kazuyuki Fujita-Ricardo Arona-Ricardo Arona-Kazuhiro Nakamura-Hidehiko Yoshida-Mark Hunt-Quinton Jackson-Yuki Kondo-Ikuhisa Minowa-Quinton Jackson... Some lesser knowns for sure but Arona ranked high in LHW, Hunt ranked top 10 HW and 5 Hw fights in last 10.

It's not a runaway, but Wand has a slight edge. Chuck has to fight some high ranked LHWs or go to HW and test himself. Wand has Crocop next, a legit top 3 HW, then maybe Barnett/Nog- 2 more top 10, hes in DEEEEP!

Would Chuck step up against Silvia or Arlovski? Rumour has it Fedor may drop to 205 to fight some LHWs...........ouch
I think the only one who was not a serious opponent was Vernon White, other than that all Chuck's opponents were quality. I don't recall saying that Sobral was no contest, I actually beleive he poses more of a threat to Chuck than Vanderlei. Sobral has not lost a fight since his loss to Chuck in November of 2002, that includes a tournament where he fought 4 times in one night and beat Jeremy Horn, damnit I cannot remember the other guys but they were no chumps.

I still have not seen the Mark Hunt vs. Vanderlei fight, but as for the other guys, Arona is quality, Jackson is quality, and Cro-Cop is quality, just not so sure about all the others.

And I would love to see Chuck move up to fight Sylvia or Arlovski, not quite sure how that would turn out, but who knows? And I am not a fan of Fedor, but I would also love to see him come down to 205 and crack some skulls.
 
#146 ·
I told you all, and I was right. The Majority of you were saying Babalu would win, and now you see that I was absolutely, positively correct. Your Pride fighter babalu got the shit beat out of him. Go ahead and re-read my posts I made in here. I said Liddell would destroy him, and then wanderlei, and I was right on the button!

Thank you all. Welcome to the UFC, where we breed the best of fighters in the Univserse, to include that shit dwarf planet Pluto.

:cheeky4: :cheeky4: :cheeky4: :cheeky4: :cheeky4: :cheeky4:
 
#147 ·
MMAforce said:
I told you all, and I was right. The Majority of you were saying Babalu would win, and now you see that I was absolutely, positively correct. Your Pride fighter babalu got the shit beat out of him. Go ahead and re-read my posts I made in here. I said Liddell would destroy him, and then wanderlei, and I was right on the button!

Thank you all. Welcome to the UFC, where we breed the best of fighters in the Univserse, to include that shit dwarf planet Pluto.

:cheeky4: :cheeky4: :cheeky4: :cheeky4: :cheeky4: :cheeky4:
I knew Liddell was gonna win. Babalu never fought in Pride, your probably thinking of the Rings organization where he fought Fedor. When or if Wanderlei Silva fights Chuck Liddell, I want Silva to win but the octagon favors Liddell and so do the UFC rules.
 
#148 ·
MMAforce said:
I told you all, and I was right. The Majority of you were saying Babalu would win, and now you see that I was absolutely, positively correct. Your Pride fighter babalu got the shit beat out of him. Go ahead and re-read my posts I made in here. I said Liddell would destroy him, and then wanderlei, and I was right on the button!

Thank you all. Welcome to the UFC, where we breed the best of fighters in the Univserse, to include that shit dwarf planet Pluto.

:cheeky4: :cheeky4: :cheeky4: :cheeky4: :cheeky4: :cheeky4:

Yea go look at the bookie results I think Chuck had a significantly higher amount of bets on him than Babalu. And as Kameleon mentioned Babalu isn't a PRIDE fighter just because he is from somewhere other than USA doesn't mean he's PRIDE. He's a UFC fighter just like Chuck. Yes you were right, hooray for MMAforce woohoo for making a good guess.
 
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