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Old 04-24-2011, 08:14 AM   #11 (permalink)
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GSP has 23 MMA professional fights: 17 in the UFC.
Name at least 5 fighters who said that about St-Pierre - with arguments (quotes, interviews etc).
You have BJ and Mayhem already. You only need 3 more...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rp8d...eature=related

Don't know how to embed videos so my apologies for that but

BJ Penn (his team even alerted the commision prior to the fight about the possibility of greasing)

Sean Sherk

Jason Miller

Matt Hughes

Matt Serra

Theres your 5 which atthe time were 5 of his last 8 fights

I believe the reason they get their business handled by the same guy before they enter the cage is in large parts to do with st Pierre.

Also Dana White goes mental at the start of the video because even he saw it.

Plus this video is over 2 years old so Miller hasn't 'just come out' with this revelation...

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Old 04-24-2011, 09:33 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Simple way to put it too rest.

Let him fight GSP again and when he gets out of the hospital, see what he has to say.

You up for that Mayhem?
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Here's the problem(s).

1.) He's not a high level BJJ fighter or grappler.
2.) He was getting thoroughly beat up although it was an entertaining fight.
Not really correct.

1) He actually has a pretty decent ground game, but Shields is better.
2) Every time he hit a switch in a situation where it didn't matter if Shields was greased he managed to end up on top.

Not saying it is true, but I understand his complaints.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rp8d...eature=related

Don't know how to embed videos so my apologies for that but

BJ Penn (his team even alerted the commision prior to the fight about the possibility of greasing)

Sean Sherk

Jason Miller

Matt Hughes

Matt Serra

Theres your 5 which atthe time were 5 of his last 8 fights

I believe the reason they get their business handled by the same guy before they enter the cage is in large parts to do with st Pierre.

Also Dana White goes mental at the start of the video because even he saw it.

Plus this video is over 2 years old so Miller hasn't 'just come out' with this revelation...
Thats the thing here!

Everyone of his opponents in the past have stated that they felt GSP was "greased up". I mean there must be some truth behind that.

But I also believe, that GSP has never done it again after the BJ fight.

He doesn't need to anyway.. he's just that great and now is the time for him to prove, that nothing would have been different in those fights without the oil.
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Old 04-24-2011, 10:15 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I like GSP and think he's definitely one of the best rounded fighters in the world, but the evidence to support him greasing is irrefutable. Not only have a whole host of fighter's commented on it, but the UFC president has noted it several times, in writing and on video, and the cameras have caught him doing it. When you look at it, I think we're seeing a man obsessed with winning and being the best, but if we look at who he supposedly greased against we could see why he was possibly worried about losing, BJ, Hughes, Sherk, Miller, Serra, all excellent on the ground, world class without doubt be it in both wrestling and BJJ. And although GSP's wrestling is very good I'm not sure I could say the same about his Jiu Jitsu, despite him being a black belt.
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Old 04-24-2011, 10:42 AM   #16 (permalink)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rp8d...eature=related

Don't know how to embed videos so my apologies for that but

BJ Penn (his team even alerted the commision prior to the fight about the possibility of greasing)

Sean Sherk

Jason Miller

Matt Hughes

Matt Serra

Theres your 5 which atthe time were 5 of his last 8 fights

I believe the reason they get their business handled by the same guy before they enter the cage is in large parts to do with st Pierre.

Also Dana White goes mental at the start of the video because even he saw it.

Plus this video is over 2 years old so Miller hasn't 'just come out' with this revelation...
Fair enough.
But, while answering some questions other pop up.

1. I love Hughes coming out and saying: "yes yes, i felt it too"...after the BJ fight = 2 years after his fight with GSP

2. I couldn't find any quote coming from Serra. It was Hughes who said: "i know Serra mentioned it"...but couldn't find anything honestly.

3. It's funny that Koscheck (first fight) hasn't mentioned this. Fitch hasn't said anything about this. Trigg hasn't said anything about this.
Hell: BJ - first GSP fight - hasn't said anything about it...strange?! (i may be wrong, but i couldn't find anything that says he said something)

IMO: "he felt slippery" does not equal greasing.

Marquardt felt *extremely slippery* against Palhares and it turned out to be nothing. And that's f*cking Palhares - who grabbed Nate's leg and couldn't keep a hold of it. And that's his speciality...
And it cost Palhares the win.

The fact is, the only time they caught it on tape was against BJ - and even then the footage showed his corner man aplying a bit of vaseline. It wasn't like he rubbed GSP with a bucket full of it.

And after that fight the athletic comissions said they're gonna pay extra attention to this.

The result ---> 3 fights, 3 dominating victories.

This will remain a SUBJECT for decades.
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Marquardt could've been greased. I don't doubt it for a minute.

These guys can take hot oil baths the day before and it'll soak into their skin without any sign of the grease on them.

As for GreaseSP, yeah....just add Mayhem to the list of grapplers he's cheated.








But it's the great GSP! His posture is so great!

Another thing that bugged me about the whole scandal, is GSP doesn't try taking BJ down until the 2nd round, after the grease is employed, he claims he wanted to jab BJ shoulders to make his standup more ineffective..

Seems almost pre-meditated. But then again, I dont know how you can do the same thing for 3 or 4 years and not be doing it purposefully.
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GSP has 23 MMA professional fights: 17 in the UFC.
Name at least 5 fighters who said that about St-Pierre - with arguments (quotes, interviews etc).
You have BJ and Mayhem already. You only need 3 more...
Hughes and Sherk both have said this before, without quoting the interview, type GSP greasing into youtube and you will find them with enough effort, I have seen them both say this in person on interviews on youtube so the evidence does exist if you can be bothered to find it.

And Matt Serra should have said something because when GSP won the title back off him in the rematch, if you watch the fight you can see with your own eyes GSP's corner rubbing grease into him during the end break between the 1st adn 2nd round, just like you can see it been done during the BJ Penn fight, and like in the Penn fight it effected Serra's ability to hold guard, a BJJ black belt whos legs did a full slide down GSP's greasy back allowing GSP to move into half guard from Serra's low slippy guard, and from there GSP moved into side control from where he won via TKO only moments later.

There is no debate imo there is no question about did GSP grease up for his fights, GSP rose up to the title, won and defended the title with the aid of been greased up to face his opponents, he is a cheat and a lier and should of been punished by the commission, they should of made an example of out him and his team and treated it no different from catching someone using PED's.
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Everyone of his opponents in the past have stated that they felt GSP was "greased up". I mean there must be some truth behind that.
He's just a naturally slippery guy. Joe Rogan explains it about 1:15 into this video.

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I'd imagine mixing Vaseline with sweat would make you extremely slippery.
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