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Old 04-24-2011, 10:12 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Hughes and Sherk both have said this before, without quoting the interview, type GSP greasing into youtube and you will find them with enough effort, I have seen them both say this in person on interviews on youtube so the evidence does exist if you can be bothered to find it.

And Matt Serra should have said something because when GSP won the title back off him in the rematch, if you watch the fight you can see with your own eyes GSP's corner rubbing grease into him during the end break between the 1st adn 2nd round, just like you can see it been done during the BJ Penn fight, and like in the Penn fight it effected Serra's ability to hold guard, a BJJ black belt whos legs did a full slide down GSP's greasy back allowing GSP to move into half guard from Serra's low slippy guard, and from there GSP moved into side control from where he won via TKO only moments later.

There is no debate imo there is no question about did GSP grease up for his fights, GSP rose up to the title, won and defended the title with the aid of been greased up to face his opponents, he is a cheat and a lier and should of been punished by the commission, they should of made an example of out him and his team and treated it no different from catching someone using PED's.
I didn't say he didn't do it.
But like i've said: no Koscheck, no Fitch, no BJ PENN 1. And those fights looked like any other GSP fight.
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This will remain a subject for ages.
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Old 04-24-2011, 10:14 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Well BJ arguably beat him the first fight so yeah, wouldn't say that.
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So...this is an acticle from 2007 about an incident in 2005. Why exactly is this being brought up now?

GSP greased against BJ Penn, there's a freakin video of him doing it. Whether it was intentional, or the result of his cornermen controlling the vasoline while they did the sternal rub to help him breath and focus is inconsequential. He did it, its clear as day. It should have been a NC.

In the case of Miller vs GSP. I've watched the fight several times. And GSP seemed to be pretty slick. Especially during the attempted heel hook in round 1. However the same thing happened between Palhares and Marquardt. So while I think its possible against Miller, there's no proof of this one, so I'll chock it up to Mayhem being annoyed at his poor (but tough as nails) performance.
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Well BJ arguably beat him the first fight so yeah, wouldn't say that.
Well GSP arguably won the first fight so no...
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Aww jeez, now we all know. The video evidence wasn't enough

I love Mayhem, and he's stuck to this story for a long time now.
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YEs its old...

Lets go back further and talk about Dan Severn's mustache now.
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****in' hate GSP.

A greaser and a roider. As nice as he seems on camera, such a nice, quiet guy, I can never respect this man. He's a cheat through and through, once a cheat, always a cheat.

Dana White should have made an example of him after the BJ fight.

But I believe in karma, it is real and one way or another, grease will get whats coming to him one day.
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Fair enough.
But, while answering some questions other pop up.

1. I love Hughes coming out and saying: "yes yes, i felt it too"...after the BJ fight = 2 years after his fight with GSP
I'll admit the timing of him coming forward does put a cloud of doubt to it's validity. If it were 2 isolated incidences I would say that sour grapes could be at play but 4 separate sources within interviews plus one given on behalf of someone else leads me to lean towards excepting it. I don't think Matt Hughes takes winning or losing with any grace though.

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2. I couldn't find any quote coming from Serra. It was Hughes who said: "i know Serra mentioned it"...but couldn't find anything honestly.
I am yet to find any official source other than 'Matt Hughes says so' myself, but in the fight you can clearly see him being rubbed with vasoline between rounds. Serra also has not come out to deny or confirm it but that says to me if he is aware of it he has no problem with his name being used in relation to greasegate.

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3. It's funny that Koscheck (first fight) hasn't mentioned this. Fitch hasn't said anything about this. Trigg hasn't said anything about this.
Hell: BJ - first GSP fight - hasn't said anything about it...strange?! (i may be wrong, but i couldn't find anything that says he said something)
Well BJ mentioned that GSP would try and grease with the commission prior to their 2nd fight. Maybe he was aware of it in the first fight? As for the others I think they should all come forward and say what there opinion is on their own encounters with GSP just to make it clearer.

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IMO: "he felt slippery" does not equal greasing.
IMO that is a polite way of saying 'something was wrong with the situation' why else would you mention it?
For the sake of being unbiased though you could vaguely take that as a 'he was elusive' but I think it was clear that he meant as in the greased up kind.


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Marquardt felt *extremely slippery* against Palhares and it turned out to be nothing. And that's f*cking Palhares - who grabbed Nate's leg and couldn't keep a hold of it. And that's his speciality...
And it cost Palhares the win.

The fact is, the only time they caught it on tape was against BJ - and even then the footage showed his corner man aplying a bit of vaseline. It wasn't like he rubbed GSP with a bucket full of it.

And after that fight the athletic comissions said they're gonna pay extra attention to this.

The result ---> 3 fights, 3 dominating victories.

This will remain a SUBJECT for decades.
I think GSP had a lot to worry about from BJ Penn. Regardless he has been caught doing it on tape and has since denied it. I think he is kind of a snake as well. Just think the whole 'look at me I'm a good guy' persona is fake.

I will agree though that this topic will always resurface on message boards and during convo with other MMA fans. GSP is talented though as where there be love there be haters.

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Don't post articles from 2 years ago trying to pass them off as current just to stir old crap up. Even Jesus Christ and the dinosaurs think this is old.

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