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Old 04-26-2011, 05:02 PM   #21 (permalink)
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i have a feeling Nate will be a better kampmann with the hole dropin to WW cuz ur stuck beating only the contenders and can't take that next step in comp. now that i think about it, Kampmann is doing the same thing now.
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Old 04-26-2011, 06:17 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Well...he wasn't *that great* at MW tbh.
He always choked in big fights.
And that's what *great* should be about: stepping up to the challenge of big fights.
I actually after alot of thought disagree.


He isnt a choker.

Anderson Silva beat him in a title bout.

He lost a split decision after having points deducted from Leites, but he actually dominated the fight.

He was out wrestled by arguably one of the best greco roman/freestyle guys in MMA if not the best.

Loses to Okami who has actually only lost to Franklin and Sonnen in the last 4 years.

While all of that was happening he racked up 8 wins in the UFC , counting 3 before Silva and not counting the one after Okami.

He is fighting the top guys in his weight , i dont see how that is choking , in reality i dont think he is good enough. Choking implies he is good enough to beat these guys but he crumpled under pressure.
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Old 04-26-2011, 07:59 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Nate actually has pretty decent offensive wrestling, just really bad defensive wrestling. He relies on his jiu-jitsu too much for defense. He needs to understand that pure bottom jiu-jitsu won't counter wrestling or takedowns. Palhares took him down with ease, but Marquardt did very well in defending Palhares' ground assault. Defending wrestling is a different discipline itself almost.

The only Marquardt hate I see comes from British posters. He really dislikes Dan Hardy for no apparent reason. I did think it was funny that Dan Hardy never made one comment about Nate and Nate has blasted him multiple times, despite Chael Sonnen repeatedly ripping Nate, and Nate staying silent. I can understand the Bisping comment. I think everyone but a biased Bisping fan can, at least.
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I actually after alot of thought disagree.


He isnt a choker.

Anderson Silva beat him in a title bout.

He lost a split decision after having points deducted from Leites, but he actually dominated the fight.

He was out wrestled by arguably one of the best greco roman/freestyle guys in MMA if not the best.

Loses to Okami who has actually only lost to Franklin and Sonnen in the last 4 years.
While all of that was happening he racked up 8 wins in the UFC , counting 3 before Silva and not counting the one after Okami.

He is fighting the top guys in his weight , i dont see how that is choking , in reality i dont think he is good enough. Choking implies he is good enough to beat these guys but he crumpled under pressure.
I agree with most of this, especially the bolded. I think that people don't give Okami enough credit. Everyone says Nate choked in that fight, but I think Okami rose to the occasion and proved to be the better man. IMO, it had all to do with Okami being the better fighter, not Nate choking.
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Marquardt is to big for WW. I just can't figure this one out. I just feel like we have all been punked. Nate always looks like the bigger guy when he fights at MW. I just can't figure it out.

I am not worried the cut will drain him, I worry it will kill him. I think the fact this is even being discussed means that its really time for fighter safety that the athletic commissions do something about these massive weight cuts.
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Old 04-27-2011, 12:50 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I thought Johnson was fighting him at MW..........
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