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Old 05-02-2011, 12:07 AM   #11 (permalink)
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If they took away rounds or a time limit he wouldnt be so great.
Are you serious? He has arguably the best conditioning in the sport. No rounds/time limit would favor him more than anyone else. He could simply control you on the ground forever and you'd be helpless because there's no time limit/round.
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:09 AM   #12 (permalink)
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He is the perfect points fighter, the best within this specific and narrow set of rules. That is why he's great, if a fight broke out on the street between fighters he wouldnt be so great. If they took away rounds or a time limit he wouldnt be so great. If they changed any one of a dozen rules or special conditions he would not be so great. All of this in mind, these factors would not end the greatness of other fighters we consider great, it would be more of an inconvenience. Its a game ender for gsp. He needs all the special rules, conditions and judging criteria in order to be great.
I wouldn't bet on it, while he'll never beat Bas Rutten in a street fight he's not going to be useless just because we go to Pride rules for instance. GSP is a smart guy and he knows how to adapt his style and change his gameplans to suit the situation at hand. GSP has figured out how to use the UFC rules to his best advantage, change them and he'll adapt and do it again. Stomps & soccer kicks are legal now? Ok, he'll just go train with Shogun & Wandy and learn how to use and defend against them.
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:09 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Didn't know this only applied to GSP, good to know...
Well it does, take away every other greats strong point and how would they do as compared to gsp? it would be vastly more dramatic for him then the others.

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Yes, he only has one strong point. Obviously it's his Wrestling, which he didn't even begin learning until he started MMA. No, his legit Kyokushin Karate Blackbelt, or his BJJ Blackbelt have anything to do with him being an amazing fighter. What is the point of you?
so in a striking match he'd hold his own against decent strikers.. i mean shields has terrible striking and he did pretty good right?

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I'm just curious how you see his street fight going? If it's one on one, I see him doing exactly what he would always do. Control where the fight took place, neutralize the other person, and inflict as much damage as he could.
I'm not saying he's a superhero, but I don't know what a "street fighter" would have on GSP. My point is, I don't understand why rounds or time have been a factor for him. It seems to me he can grind out a win regardless of the length of the fight.
Okay, one question. last night shields and gsp fight to a stoppage, there are no rounds and time limits.. who would have won?
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:24 AM   #14 (permalink)
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so in a striking match he'd hold his own against decent strikers.. i mean shields has terrible striking and he did pretty good right?



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First off, what...? I think I get what you are failing to say. Anyways, uhmmm..., you do realize that striking with one good eye is really difficult, right? Especially when your opponent's powerhand is on the side where you're blind.

Secondly, yes you are wrong but I'm sure you're more than use to that.
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:27 AM   #15 (permalink)
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He used to be a fighter, now hes an athlete.

People talk about how amazing he his, he has one thing that makes him amazing. Just one, his wrestling, and it happens to be by far the most important aspect of being a mixed martial arts points fighter. He is the perfect points fighter, the best within this specific and narrow set of rules. That is why he's great, if a fight broke out on the street between fighters he wouldnt be so great. If they took away rounds or a time limit he wouldnt be so great. If they changed any one of a dozen rules or special conditions he would not be so great. All of this in mind, these factors would not end the greatness of other fighters we consider great, it would be more of an inconvenience. Its a game ender for gsp. He needs all the special rules, conditions and judging criteria in order to be great.
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Well it does, take away every other greats strong point and how would they do as compared to gsp? it would be vastly more dramatic for him then the others.



so in a striking match he'd hold his own against decent strikers.. i mean shields has terrible striking and he did pretty good right?



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Okay, one question. last night shields and gsp fight to a stoppage, there are no rounds and time limits.. who would have won?
I think rather than trying to defend your post to everyone that disagrees with it (trust me there's going to be a lot), maybe it's better to just let it go and move on. We all make posts that are slightly off-base and that we inevitably regret. Just make sure your next ones are better! Haha it's all good on the forum...
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:29 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Well it does, take away every other greats strong point and how would they do as compared to gsp? it would be vastly more dramatic for him then the others.



so in a striking match he'd hold his own against decent strikers.. i mean shields has terrible striking and he did pretty good right?



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Okay, one question. last night shields and gsp fight to a stoppage, there are no rounds and time limits.. who would have won
How in the world do you think Shields would have won based on what we saw that night, makes no sense. And why only look at that fight, look at GSP's decision wins and if "no rounds, time limits, fight to stoppage" was applied tell me would GSP lose those fights? No he wouldnt. Your logic makes no sense. Point is no one seems to match up to GSP, no one seems to put him in any danger at all, no one seems to be on the same level as him, so how does that make GSP any less great? Its not his fault his opponents dont make it more challenging for him. Im sick of all this GSP doesnt finish crap. If GSP was fighting the guys Nicke Diaz is fighting then everyone would be riding him like crazy.
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:42 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:44 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I think rather than trying to defend your post to everyone that disagrees with it (trust me there's going to be a lot), maybe it's better to just let it go and move on. We all make posts that are slightly off-base and that we inevitably regret. Just make sure your next ones are better! Haha it's all good on the forum...
I still have about the same opinion, what I am not sure of is if I went about it the right way in my post. And I was only so brazen to semi-attack such a loved fighter on the forum because of my inebriation. Typically I would have avoided it because so many people would feel the need to defend him.

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How in the world do you think Shields would have won based on what we saw that night, makes no sense. And why only look at that fight, look at GSP's decision wins and if "no rounds, time limits, fight to stoppage" was applied tell me would GSP lose those fights? No he wouldnt. Your logic makes no sense. Point is no one seems to match up to GSP, no one seems to put him in any danger at all, no one seems to be on the same level as him, so how does that make GSP any less great? Its not his fault his opponents dont make it more challenging for him. Im sick of all this GSP doesnt finish crap. If GSP was fighting the guys Nicke Diaz is fighting then everyone would be riding him like crazy.
Well its mostly based on the face that gsp took a lot more damage than shields in their fight and both had plenty in the tank at the end of the fight. I imagine if the fight had gone on another 30 minutes or so shields probably would have stopped gsp, but thats neither here nor there.

What im getting at is that he is such a good points fighter because of the rules.
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Old 05-02-2011, 01:30 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Well it does, take away every other greats strong point and how would they do as compared to gsp? it would be vastly more dramatic for him then the others.



so in a striking match he'd hold his own against decent strikers.. i mean shields has terrible striking and he did pretty good right?



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Okay, one question. last night shields and gsp fight to a stoppage, there are no rounds and time limits.. who would have won?
are you drunk fo revery post? Dude, you are flat out wrong in just about everything you say. Drunk or brain dead?
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Old 05-02-2011, 01:34 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Gsp sucks and he shouldnt headline anymore. What a waste of money. Good thing machida and aldo was on the card or i would have been pissed. You can pretty much guarantee that gsp fights will be him backing up and jabbing. Boring. I can't even remember last time he through a power punch. Oh Nevermind he doesn't have one. That's right he's never knocked anybody out with 1 punch.

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