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Old 05-02-2011, 12:52 AM   #21 (permalink)
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He used to be a fighter, now hes an athlete.

People talk about how amazing he his, he has one thing that makes him amazing. Just one, his wrestling, and it happens to be by far the most important aspect of being a mixed martial arts points fighter. He is the perfect points fighter, the best within this specific and narrow set of rules. That is why he's great, if a fight broke out on the street between fighters he wouldnt be so great. If they took away rounds or a time limit he wouldnt be so great. If they changed any one of a dozen rules or special conditions he would not be so great. All of this in mind, these factors would not end the greatness of other fighters we consider great, it would be more of an inconvenience. Its a game ender for gsp. He needs all the special rules, conditions and judging criteria in order to be great.

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Well its mostly based on the face that gsp took a lot more damage than shields in their fight and both had plenty in the tank at the end of the fight. I imagine if the fight had gone on another 30 minutes or so shields probably would have stopped gsp, but thats neither here nor there.

What im getting at is that he is such a good points fighter because of the rules.
Yeah ok, as if street/bar fights actually last more than 2 minutes tops before being broken up/tossed in jail/someone running, let alone 25+ minutes. Have you even been in a street fight or do you just make that stuff up to sound cool?

And what rules does GSP exploit? The guy would still tool anyone on the streets .. in a one on one he would take them down and pound them out even easier, being able to gouge eyes, 12-6 elbows, kicks/knees to the head/spine etc. from the top position. If anything, in MMA the guys on the bottom exploit the rules designed to protect them from serious injury.

And standing up, even with multiple opponents, he'd still be fast and technical as hell, and would be able to pull out groin shots at will like he did with Hughes. His clinical jab could turn into a clinical fight ending eye-poke and take out guys like gnats.

What part of his standup wouldn't work on the streets exactly like it does in the octagon? If anything a fast in and out striker like him has much better chances against multiple opponents than a reckless brawler that'll probably get swarmed.

GSP took more outward damage than shields because of a chance eye gouge and nose break, just about the only effective strikes Shields landed that whole fight. It could happen to anyone, and still I'll wager Shields took a lot more internal damage that no one can see.

GSP dominated the rest of the fight, and in a no rules street fight he would've stomped the shit out of Shields' head and gonads the moment he fell to the ground dazed, instead of having to worry about stupid stuff like voluntarily swimming in between his legs and hitting him with "legal" strikes while Shields attempted submissions on him. Not to mention he probably would've had hard soled shoes on, and one stomp on the street would be twice as hard as the soft ones we used to see in Pride. And with hard toed shoes, one can even kick in the tailbone (ouch) on a downed opponent facing you with his guard up, something that wasn't possible in Pride because of bare feet.

Shields had no such opening, he would've fought the same way on the streets and lost much much worse. Shields is the rules fighter, not GSP.
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:57 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Forget about shields, his performance was a total and utter shambles. But then again GSP makes everyone look like that these days.

There were times last night that you could see an opening for GSP to go in and finish or try and finish and hurt shields, but then he retreated back and used the jab. That for me is the crux of his problem right there. KILLER INSTINCT.

There is something stopping him from going in and finishing. Maybe like lesnar he doesnt like to get hit. Maybe thats just his strategy to win that fight pre-planned. Personally I think its fear because if he does it maybe he thinks he will get caught like Chuck vs Rich and its not worth making the fans happy in case he gets caught.

But f*** George you need to start doing something because the last time I can remember liking something he did was when he kicked Hughes in the head. That was a long time ago.

If not for the eye I think Dana would have been giving GSP some stick for this latest showing
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there is no doubt GSP is a great champion... as much as we say he does not go for the kill and try to finish fights and that he is a points fighter... the bottom line is no one can get close to him and he makes some of the best fighters look very average.

alves, fitch, Kosh. Shields did the best out of any of them. actually took a round or 2 off GSP.. but still GSP completely nuetralised SHield's so called "world class" BJJ. where was this BJJ that was being so heavily promoted for Jake shields?? he just couldnt get GSP down.

in saying all this, im just not overly excited when i hear GSP is on the main card, but all of his fans act as though he has been on a tearing knockout spree in has last few fights and another one is being anticiapted.

i was getting bored in the last few rounds, hell i started playing on my Iphone and checked the local foot ball results.
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Why does everyone give GSP grief? The guy is the champ, the challengers have to come get the belt. He beats everyone soundly, they've got no answers for him. Wrestlers can't take him down, strikers can't remain standing and most everyone eats his gloves more than he eats theirs.

It's not his job to "finish" people, it's his job to win. Why isn't anyone giving his opponents grief for not taking the fight to GSP? How come they are aren't finishing him? GSP had basically no left eye for 3 rounds and he still beat Jake. The same Jake Shields that went 6 years undefeated and 15 fight win streak, had nothing against a one eye'd man. Yes, Koscheck had one eye and GSP didn't finish him but Kos didn't win either. GSP had one eye and still beat Shields.

He's fought the who's who of the WW division and no one has an answer for him. It's his belt to fight with as he pleases, he's the guy on top it's the challengers job to take his belt.
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Why does everyone give GSP grief? The guy is the champ, the challengers have to come get the belt. He beats everyone soundly, they've got no answers for him. Wrestlers can't take him down, strikers can't remain standing and most everyone eats his gloves more than he eats theirs.

It's not his job to "finish" people, it's his job to win. Why isn't anyone giving his opponents grief for not taking the fight to GSP? How come they are aren't finishing him? GSP had basically no left eye for 3 rounds and he still beat Jake. The same Jake Shields that went 6 years undefeated and 15 fight win streak, had nothing against a one eye'd man. Yes, Koscheck had one eye and GSP didn't finish him but Kos didn't win either. GSP had one eye and still beat Shields.

He's fought the who's who of the WW division and no one has an answer for him. It's his belt to fight with as he pleases, he's the guy on top it's the challengers job to take his belt.
Because some people don't want to watch a fighter on cruise control the entire time.

also GSP isn't a fighter, he himself said he is not, he is a martial artist......but he's really just an athlete. he just wants to win. instead of pushing himself, he's got the skills to do it but he just won't
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Because some people don't want to watch a fighter on cruise control the entire time.
So they can't win a drone on autopilot ?
Then they must suck really bad. Or, could it be that GSP is actually that much better than them?

When you say shit like that you're really only dissing GSPs opponents, not him.
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So they can't win a drone on autopilot ?
Then they must suck really bad. Or, could it be that GSP is actually that much better than them?

When you say shit like that you're really only dissing GSPs opponents, not him.
What the **** are you going on about. No one said GSP or his opponents suck.
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So, possibly the number one P4P fighter should drastically change his training routine just so he could please all of you? That's absurd.

He is winning and possibly the closest guy to clean out his division, he is doing things right imo.
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