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post #31 of 40 (permalink) Old 05-02-2011, 06:08 AM
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GSP seems to be the one with the solution, will be honest that Shields fight was a huge disappointed to me, all I really wanted was to see that fight go to the ground one way or the other, even if only for a couple of rounds worth, dam would of even settled for just 1 round of grappling just to find out who was the better grappler.

But as far as GSP's strategy to face Shields went, you can't really fault it, it was dam near perfect, just a dam fcuking shame that the perfect strategy had to completely fcuk up the kind of fight I really wanted to see.

As far as names go for title consideration right now in the WW division aside from the obvious rematches with Fitch and Penn, I think its about time the UFC pulled Stun Gun into the mix simply because he is another guy winning all his fights and he did call GSP out after his last victory, so what else can you do, all you can do is keep throwing guys in there with him and see how there luck pans out.


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There is no solution because there is no problem. An athlete in a genuine sport has only one job, to win within the rules. The method is utterly irrelevant. If you don't understand that, you don't understand sports.

If the method isn't entertaining and people don't want to watch that has NOTHING to do with the athlete, it is up to the organizers to change the rules to make it entertaining (and rules get changed all the time in major sports).
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Why does everyone give GSP grief? The guy is the champ, the challengers have to come get the belt. He beats everyone soundly, they've got no answers for him. Wrestlers can't take him down, strikers can't remain standing and most everyone eats his gloves more than he eats theirs.

It's not his job to "finish" people, it's his job to win. Why isn't anyone giving his opponents grief for not taking the fight to GSP? How come they are aren't finishing him? GSP had basically no left eye for 3 rounds and he still beat Jake. The same Jake Shields that went 6 years undefeated and 15 fight win streak, had nothing against a one eye'd man. Yes, Koscheck had one eye and GSP didn't finish him but Kos didn't win either. GSP had one eye and still beat Shields.

He's fought the who's who of the WW division and no one has an answer for him. It's his belt to fight with as he pleases, he's the guy on top it's the challengers job to take his belt.

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There is no solution because there is no problem. An athlete in a genuine sport has only one job, to win within the rules. The method is utterly irrelevant. If you don't understand that, you don't understand sports.

If the method isn't entertaining and people don't want to watch that has NOTHING to do with the athlete, it is up to the organizers to change the rules to make it entertaining (and rules get changed all the time in major sports).
Agreed. Dana and company just have to decide how much of Zuffa/UFC should be based upon the ENTERTAINMENT factor, and how much should run like a valid sport. They've aligned themselves with sanctioning bodies in order to get some semblance of respect and validity, so don't go futz it all up by being displeased with with one of your employees because he's being ultimately successfull within the rules that you've defined and bound him to.

Personally I'd love to see Zuffa/UFC define a new class of fights... Open Class... no rounds, no weight classes, no referee restarts, etc. Not that I want to see eye gouging, head butts to the face, and groin shots, etc, that's not what I'm saying... but an arena where, if you think you're good enough to take on the best in the world, regardless of weight/size....just bring it.

How about Anderson Silva vs Cain Velasquez? how about JDS versus Machida? How about Jon Jones versus Brock Lesnar?
And not to at all disrespect my boys in the lower weight classes...how about Jose Aldo versus GSP? How about Miguel Torres versus Uriah Faber?
Notice that I'm not proposing silly match-ups like Dominic Cruz versus Lesnar or such as that... but simply nice stylistic match-ups against other quality opponents...come in at whatever weight you want to ... but you can bet that cardio would play a pivotal role in many of these fights.

meh... just rumminating I guess.

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...As far as names go for title consideration right now in the WW division aside from the obvious rematches with Fitch and Penn, ...
You think Penn is deserving of another fight with GSP?

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Solution? To what? I didn't realize going 4 years unbeaten required a remedy of some kind.
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To put it into perspective, GSP has become the Mayweather of MMA. The differences being that GSP isn't a tool/prick and he always fights the best, which can't be said of Mayweather. However, they are both so good at winning (not finishing) that they don't want to take the risk.

Mayweather is not a great fighter, he's a great boxer. GSP isn't a great fighter, he's a great MMA athlete. Same difference. The problem with this is that I stopped watching Mayweather events a long time ago because of this. The only fight I'd pay for with Mayweather in is when he gets smashed by Pacquiao (which is a fight he'll never take). This works to GSP's favor to some extent because people are going to flip and start watching his events not to see him dominate, but to see if this new guy can knock him off his throne and revive that killer instinct he used to have.


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Hey Gang. I don't come into the forum much anymore, I think I am getting too old for it. Anyway, I had to check out the comments after the biggest UFC EVER!

I am a die-hard GSP fan, him being a home town boy and all but last Saturday night was dissapointing. His dominance over the entire WW division is so extreme that it is now getting boring. He is able to completely shut down his opponents offense making the fight completely one-sided but yet not able to bring out the animal inside of him to finish a fight.

I understand him though, he is shooting for something greater than his next title defense, he is looking to be legendary and with that comes the responsibilty of ensuring longevity and wins, not necessarily being spectacular.

I'd like to see him get a little more daring and go for the finish once in a while. I mean hey, if you kick someone to the side of the head and buckle his knees then he is vulnerable, go ahead and get crazy on him!!!

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How in the world do you think Shields would have won based on what we saw that night, makes no sense. And why only look at that fight, look at GSP's decision wins and if "no rounds, time limits, fight to stoppage" was applied tell me would GSP lose those fights?
In that particular fight, GSP's eye was wrecked and he was beginning to look pretty bad in the standup. Jake did well in round 5 and was working that left eye to make it worse. So it's not insane to speculate that the trend might have continued if the fight had no limits and was allowed to go to finish.

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In that particular fight, GSP's eye was wrecked and he was beginning to look pretty bad in the standup. Jake did well in round 5 and was working that left eye to make it worse. So it's not insane to speculate that the trend might have continued if the fight had no limits and was allowed to go to finish.
yea but what ever you think could of happened "should the fight of continued" means less than fcuk all on the judges score cards, all that matters is exactly what did happened during the fight within each round, and to be fair I had GSP wining every round if not quite comfortably then at least just edging it, was a 50-45 fight imo.

For me there was some really bad judging score wise on the night that at least always had the correct winner, for example 2 judges giving to 48-47 to GSP, where the fcuk did they get those 2 rounds to Shields from?

Worse still was one judged giving Aldo the win at 50-43???? wtf two 10-8 rounds to Aldo and not giving Hominick at least the 5th round, sure his face was fcuked up but it was all caused by superficial sharp little elbows on the ground during GnP sessions that where so lacking conviction that the ref was having to stand them back up, if anything it was a good advert to why Elbows on the ground should be outlawed, perfect example right there of an easy option to cause damage from the guard without having to advance position thus creating a less technical ground game. I think at best it was 49-46 Aldo, Hominick defiantly winning the 5th and I think the second was so close you could of argued a 48-47 Aldo victory, but 50-43 was just insane.


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