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Old 05-03-2011, 01:31 AM   #41 (permalink)
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thats exactly what I was thinking too, after all the hype on his great BJJ they we so rarely get to see as Rogan keeps saying, when finally he had the chance and was on the ground against a guys whos basis is striking, there was not even an attempt to pass guard, or even an attempt to sweep or even gain wrist control from his back in the 5th.

To be perfectly honest aside from sharp elbows the ground game he displayed was worthless.
I think your generally being a bit harsh on Aldo in this thread.

And whilst this was a GREAT fight.

I have to side with your above quoted comments and wonder why nobody is talking about it (they all put it down to exhaustion).

But come on, he was on top for many minutes over the course of that fight and did no BJJ. Then on the bottom, he didn't lock up guard or try wrist control, he looked competely out of his elemet. Even someone exhausted, unless passed out, can still try a basic guard and roll with punches from the bottom.

This is about the only major hole at the moment in Aldos game, disappointing given the hype about his ground game previously.

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maynard has improved his striking heaps but i think you guys are forgetting that edgar was baited into a brawl with maynard not his traditional smart in and out type style that he uses. edgar can be much much better when he follows his gameplan for all 5 rounds
Absolutely, I was surprised by just how much more advanced Maynards striking was. Although I agree, Edgar did fight a bad fight, far too aggressive for his normal style. That said, I expect Maynard to come out with improved striking on top of their last bout, so he should keep it somewhat close with Edgar.

Edgars wrestling is the biggest surprise of all though, tossing BJ around in their rematch and then dumping Maynard also, WTF? Can't imagine he would have much problem putting Aldo on his back.

But Aldo has a few more challenges to take at Feather before we can talk about how he would go at light. It's like comparing Edgar or Maynard at the moment to GSP? No point, still have a division to clean out before they can move up and challenge a heavier champion.

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Old 05-03-2011, 03:00 AM   #42 (permalink)
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But Aldo has a few more challenges to take at Feather before we can talk about how he would go at light. It's like comparing Edgar or Maynard at the moment to GSP? No point, still have a division to clean out before they can move up and challenge a heavier champion.
Its not that far fetched right now to see Edgar dropping to FW very soon, for starters he is very small even for a LW, and what are his options if he loses his title to Maynard?

Think about it the LW division is stacked full of possible title contenders, there are tons of great title fights out there for Maynard should he become champ, I think even Penn would cut back down and what a shot at him, so what are the odds of Edgar getting another rematch with Maynard anytime soon, dam the guy will be 2 losses and 1 draw having faced him 3 times, its going to be years before the UFC can justify him another match in such a stacked division, Maynard been champ is Edgar's worse nightmare right now, because should he win as long as Maynard holds the belt the chances of him getting that 4th fight are virtually dead.

Given this very possible situation the way I see it Edgar has to choses.

1. Stay in the LW division carry on fighting hoping not only to keep on winning, but hoping also that Maynard loses the belt so its foreseeable that he could once again fight for the title.

2. Cut to 145lb where I think its a pretty safe bet that the UFC would offer him an instant title shot, and given Edgars natural size baring in mind he doe snot even cut weight to make 155lb this would be simple, hell he probably walks around anyway at a lower weight than Aldo.

For me it would not even be choice, he would be an idiot to hang around in the LW division hoping for Maynard to lose the belt, with the risk of wasting another 6 months or so should Maynard start to defend it successfully, the only smart thing for him to so would be to cut down into the FW division.

I can see that happening exactly like that as well, I think Maynard will be champ by the end of the month and I think he will at least have a couple of successful title defenses, and Edgar been a smart guy, I think his next fight will be Jose Aldo.
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Yeh, if Edgar loses to Maynard, I could definately see him dropping. But I think he will beat Maynard, so.......we will see.......
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Dana said once that he talked to Edgar about dropping to FW and Edgar was insulted by the idea. I don't think we'll see him at FW anytime soon.
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Dana said once that he talked to Edgar about dropping to FW and Edgar was insulted by the idea. I don't think we'll see him at FW anytime soon.
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In the past, you offered Aldo a fight at 155. If Aldo wins, how much longer do you think he stays at 145?

That's a good question. He's definitely a guy who could win titles in both weight classes.

Can you see him fighting a guy like Frankie Edgar? I know Frankie has a fight coming up, but just purely from a match-up standpoint?

In the future, yeah, he could definitely fight him. No doubt about it. At '55 or '45.

Do you think Frankie has any interest in dropping down, now that you've absorbed the featherweight division?

No, he actually gets mad at me when I talk about it, and say he's in the wrong weight class, he should be in a totally different weight class. He gets bummed out when I say that.


It used to be a money issue, but now that 145 is in UFC, it shouldn't be, right?

Well, there's probably still bigger fights and bigger money fights at (155). But definitely him and Jose Aldo's big.


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Its not that far fetched right now to see Edgar dropping to FW very soon, for starters he is very small even for a LW, and what are his options if he loses his title to Maynard?

Think about it the LW division is stacked full of possible title contenders, there are tons of great title fights out there for Maynard should he become champ, I think even Penn would cut back down and what a shot at him, so what are the odds of Edgar getting another rematch with Maynard anytime soon, dam the guy will be 2 losses and 1 draw having faced him 3 times, its going to be years before the UFC can justify him another match in such a stacked division, Maynard been champ is Edgar's worse nightmare right now, because should he win as long as Maynard holds the belt the chances of him getting that 4th fight are virtually dead.

Given this very possible situation the way I see it Edgar has to choses.

1. Stay in the LW division carry on fighting hoping not only to keep on winning, but hoping also that Maynard loses the belt so its foreseeable that he could once again fight for the title.

2. Cut to 145lb where I think its a pretty safe bet that the UFC would offer him an instant title shot, and given Edgars natural size baring in mind he doe snot even cut weight to make 155lb this would be simple, hell he probably walks around anyway at a lower weight than Aldo.

For me it would not even be choice, he would be an idiot to hang around in the LW division hoping for Maynard to lose the belt, with the risk of wasting another 6 months or so should Maynard start to defend it successfully, the only smart thing for him to so would be to cut down into the FW division.

I can see that happening exactly like that as well, I think Maynard will be champ by the end of the month and I think he will at least have a couple of successful title defenses, and Edgar been a smart guy, I think his next fight will be Jose Aldo.
I don't think Edgar will drop to FW even if he loses to Edgar.
Like Hammerlock said: he always feels upset when people keep telling him on how he should drop down FW, because he's too small and that's his natural weight.

I think that's very disrespectful towards him.
He's the LW champion. Won the belt by beating the former LW king: BJ Penn - TWICE, on fight being a total domination.
The same BJ Penn that KO'd the former WW king - Hughes and scored a draw with Jon Fitch.
Then he defended his belt again: against the only guy who ever beat him. And he fought through adversity and made one of the best comebacks in UFC history.

And still a lot of people don't recognise him as the LW champion, in the sense that they think he should fight in another division.

With this kind of attitude from the fans and the media - no wonder he feels frustrated when people bring up the *FW subject*.
He feels like he has to constantly prove something he already proved. That he's the rightful LW champion.

That's why i beleive, that even if he loses the belt in his next fight, he will stay at LW, trying to get it back and trying to prove the critics wrong.

2-3 losses though...that may be enough to make him switch weight classes.
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Aldo is a beast plain and simple, im guessing this was the 1st time some of you saw him fight, and i have to admit although it was a great fight he really wasnt 100%, and now i see why...i have never seen aldo tierd like that and breathing hard after the 1st round, very strange, his cardio has always been very good.

I think we should take this into consideration abut him taking it to the ground and just laying there, i think you guys were expecting too much from aldo, i think he took hominick down to steal the rounds and just lay there for a while, he wasnt actually looking to finish the fight once it hit the ground i saw that as simply a GSP move, maybe to pass time since he felt like he was fading on the feet? very probable

theres really no reason to doubt his BJJ, when he was on his back he was very tired and could barley do anything, he knew he wont the other 4 rounds, and he did have wrist control sometimes and did try some triangles but hominick was too smart he aldo was way too tired to actually sink it in, the guy is still human, not every fighter can pull a triangle at the end of the 5th round after a 4 round war...aldo isnt anderson yet

though i still think we should wait to judge his ground game, i for one think he could sub maynard and edgar, the man won the mundials and many brazilian tournaments...id say that speaks for itself that his bjj is legit.

i dont know who said his movement was awful but thats just delusional, movement isnt always about how much you bounce around, aldos movements are very good, great timing, great relfexes, angles, accuracy...hell he proved all this in his war with hominick, he is a way more elite striker than edgar and i really dont believe some of you actually think edgar could stand with him

edgars striking is good, he has pretty good boxing, but its being overrated...his style of bouncing around doesnt match up well with aldos style...an elite striker could use that bouncing to his advantage, edgar bounces too much, i think it leaves him open sometimes, the fact that he beat bj doesnt impress me that much...bj has ALWAYS had very overrated boxing, and im a huge bj fan, but please...its very obvious how overrated and slow he is

and i really dont see aldo as one dimensional, he has great bjj, great TDD (wich he will prove again in philly) and elite striking...what more do you want from a fighter? hes obviously working on his wrestling now, lets not forget hes still a 24 year old kid! no1 has as much potential as aldo except for JBJ

if aldo learns how to add wrestling and bjj with his elite striking the guy will be a even more unstoppable monster, it would be GSP 2.0...im still very impressed with aldo and would bet my house on him against edgar

the LW that i think could give him a very hard time is maynard...seems way too strong for aldo
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With this kind of attitude from the fans and the media - no wonder he feels frustrated when people bring up the *FW subject*.
He feels like he has to constantly prove something he already proved. That he's the rightful LW champion.

That's why i beleive, that even if he loses the belt in his next fight, he will stay at LW, trying to get it back and trying to prove the critics wrong.

2-3 losses though...that may be enough to make him switch weight classes.
He does have to prove something, he has to prove that he can beat Grey Maynard, you know the guy who should of been given the initial title shot against Penn instead of him.

If Maynard becomes champ, he may never get another shot for as long as he remains champ, he would be waiting for something out of his control in Maynard to lose, how often to fighters get to face each other 4 times in there career and in such a stacked division, How may chances by right should he get to beat him, because sure if you just keep throwing him at Maynard time and time again, even if Maynard is 70/30 a better fighter Edgar's lucky day will come, so as far as I am concerned if he falls 2:0:1 behind in this battle, that should be it his days of facing Maynard should be over except maybe for some late nostalgia battle late in both there careers once they both lose Contender/Champion status, but till then we should just accept that right now in there prime Maynard is the better fighter, and thats the bottom line because the Shark Said So
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this all doesnt matter because i will make the bold predicition that jim miller will be the lw champion soon enough after gray takes it
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I'm not going to get into this whole "Edgar is better than Aldo" / "Aldo is better than Edgar" rubbish, all i wanted to say is that the way Aldo steps off at angles after he throws a combo is truely excellent. It is more impressive than his beasty leg kicks and incredible head movement.

Watch it again and be impressed.
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