Originally Posted by Toxic
GSP would smash Diaz, and likely beat Anderson and Machida. Thing with Jones is your starting to get a pretty significant size advantage. Where Machida is a small LHW, Jones is not, were talking likely 25-30 pounds difference on fight night. Being that Jones is a good wrestler in his own right with a signifigant size and strength advantage its hard to say he would lose.
I think you just need to learn to examine fights yourself. Stylistically if you weren't expecting GSP to jab Shields apart all night then you were just ignoring the match up. This seemed a little likely all along. Personally I expected Shields to gas again leasing to a late finish but I hardly find the results surprising.
Great fighters win don't go for it that is crap. Great fighters WIN. Entertaining fighters go for it but usually with mixed results.
Hello Toxic - Wow, you have a lot of posts....but I imagine most administrators of forums do. And I'll also admit that I'm sure you know more about the UFC fighters than I do.
As I mentioned in my 1st post....I have seen MUCH MORE WEC & Strikeforce fights than UFC fights. Although I've certainly seen some of the UFC cards....especially when I didn't have to fork over an extra $60 to Comcast (where customer service is an oxymoron).
And you very well might be right that GSP would crush Nick Diaz. I have seen a lot of Diaz fights & 1st of all...he looks like a skinny kid. He doesn't look very muscular. That type of boxing he does where his punches are seldom thrown with wicked intent (although he throws a lot of them....probably to keep opponents at range & the accumulation does matter over a long fight) is unusual.
It actually surprises me that he beat a lot of the guys he faced. Cyborg landed many vicious leg kicks on Diaz (like the one's Aldo crippled Faber with)....eventually Diaz started checking them with his knees & got Cyborg going backwards (where kicks can't do much damage). I remember one of the announcers (Miletich) talking about Cyborg fighting like he was trying to kill somebody in that fight.
Cyborg was throwing some bombs at Diaz too. Anyway...Cyborg trips Diaz & gets top position with under a minute to go in the 2nd round I think....& Diaz with only seconds to go in the round gets him to tap via armbar.
I think Diaz's best attributes are his cardio (does triathlons), his chin (seen him walk through some hard punches & knees), I think he is also a smart fighter & just has that will to win. I also think I read that he has one of only 3 black belts that Gracie has handed out.
Saw him fight Daley who was a really good striker & could throw really hard bombs....Diaz ends up ground & pounding this guy out.
All the other B.S. around him & his brother I don't care for.
I'm sure you're aware of how Diaz fights...so what I'm saying is nothing new.
I understand & agree with what you say about a Jon Jones vs. GSP fight. Of the most recent fighters getting into the spotlight...I think Jones & Aldo are the cream of the crop.
I do think Silva & Machido could (& I emphasize Could) beat GSP (although I say Silva just because I'm always hearing how great he is & how he may be in the running for top pound-for-pound guy). But I think I also read that he was losing his last fight badly....& his opponent did something dumb to lose.
Was that the one where Silva did the first MMA "Crane" kick? And Machida's pretty tough...& has that unusual style of fighting....he might do the "Crane Kick" to GSP like he did to Couture (which I think was the 2nd "Crane" kick victory in UFC history)....lol.
I do disagree with you about what you said what makes the greater fighter. And I'll use a present example.
Who is the greater fighter...Mayweather or Pacquiao. Mayweather is 41-0. Pacquiao is 52-3-2. Many say Floyd has cherry picked his fights to keep his undefeated record. But he is undefeated. But his rise through the ranks were via a different trip than Pacquiao's.
But the bottom line about which one of those fighters IMHO is this. Pacquiao has a much better record for taking on all comers...the best fighters in every weight division he has been in...he has taken on. Not so for Mayweather.
And Mayweather is more of a defensive fighter. He likes the fights to go where he seldom gets hit...because I'll admit he is a great defensive fighter...and hits his opponent enough times to win...but most of his fights are just not that exciting. And ALL of Pacquiao's are!
Did you see the snooze fest fight with Alexander & Bradley?
I don't know how old you are Toxic. But Hagler vs. Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Roberto Duran....any mix of these fighters was must see. Because they fought like Lions....they mixed it up. Did you see any of the Ward - Gatti fights? How about the recent Ortiz - Berto fight? How about the 2nd Williams vs. Martinez fight?
THIS IS WHAT THE FANS WANT....THEY WANT EXCITEMENT - THEY WANT TO BE ELECTRIFIED. THEY WANT "THE RUMBLE IN THE JUNGLE" & "THE THRILLA IN MANILLA".
I'm certainly not saying that Ward or Gatti were as good a fighter as Mayweather....but these guys were WARRIORS.
I guess the real bottom line to this is this: I think that although Mayweather is undefeated....Pacquiao is the greater fighter/champion.
Do folks here agree or disagree with that?
Oops...sorry I strayed into boxing from MMA...but it was just for analogy sake's.
Wow - I haven't typed this much on my computer in a long time. I think it's going to be a long break before I post again....so for the folks who don't like long one's....don't worry....I'll just be reading what others have to say for a while.
P.S. - I wish they would make that Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight. I'm a big Pacquiao fan...& even after what I have said about him....I must admit....he might lose to Mayweather....but I'd love to see Pacquiao do to "Money Mayweather" what he did to Hatton! THE END