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post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-04-2011, 08:11 PM
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I do hope this fight motivated him enough to really work on his stand up. The fact that it didn't go to a decision boosted his morale.

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I agree even though I can't possibly fathom how it is to be in front of GSP. It's easy for us to say he should have bull rushed him, but really that is the ONLY way someone can beat GSP. A fighter will have to pressure him and not play his game. A fighter who challenges GSP will have to take it from him because GSP isn't going to put himself in harms way. You can't expect GSP to give you an opening to strike for a takedown. GSP hasn't finished a fighter in years, so I don't know why these grapplers try to fight him on the feet without really pushing their game. GSP has some to do with it, but they respect his standup too much.
If Jake was going to bull rush him, he would have to set the pace early, you cant just fight 4 rounds and then while your both pretty tired you charge him and allow GSP to counter strike your ass and end it quick...

As a fighter you are VERY disciplined to keep your composure and stay in character, and like you said its easy for us to sit in our seats saying WTF JUST GO BALLS TO THE WALL UR GOING TO LOSE ANYWAY! But the facts are it would only open him up and make it easier for GSP to capitalize on your mistakes, because GSP can easily do that...

I dont see that he did anything wrong other then setting a more faster pace at the start of the fight, and if he keeps getting out stroked then try to pull something he couldn't expect, just how Machida KO'ed Randy, and just like how JBJ beat the shit out of Shogun, he kept him guessing and FORCED the relentless Shogun to fight Jon Jones fight.

Shields talked to his corner about pulling guard but yet he didnt throw any kicks???? Is this really MMA? IF YOUR NOT WORRIED ABOUT GETTING TAKEN DOWN THEN WHY NO FREAKIN KICKS!?

And the second Shields saw GSP's eye injury he should of threw spinning back fists or SOMETHING at the eye he cant see out of...

Being predictable and only throwing shots he deals with on a day to day basis in training is only instinct for GSP to dodge most of them.

Shields is creative on the ground no doubt about that, but his creativity and power he has is the reason he will never be a top p4p fighter. Way to one dimensional sorry Shields

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Honestly Shields has done better than anyone who has went five rounds with GSP. He admits his boxing was a weak link but he admitted that before the fight. I think this is a great opportunity for him to learn from a loss and continue to add versatility to his game. GSP has the snake-charmer eyes or something that turns every elite grappler into a shitty boxer for five rounds. Honest appraisal of his shortcomings and I respect him for it. Both are classy guys and I look forward to an eventual rematch.

As far as Gracie class... haven't seen it and don't expect to see it. I remember after Royce was completely tooled by Hughes their website said something along the lines of 'Royce lost but Gracie BJJ wins!' because Hughes used his grapping to win (granted striking to seal the deal). It made me write off the Gracie family for their complete lack of class in defeat. (not Kyra but for different reasons) I also think that is why Hughes made it such a point to mention that he beat Ricardo with an 'old wrestling move'.

The title fight wasn't real exciting but I didn't expect it to be. I knew going in it was going to be a chess match and not a brawl and I'm still a fan of both guys and wish them nothing but success and happiness.
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@ Shields, No Sh*t.

Trouble is, some people are just not naturals at certain disciplines. Shields is obviously a natural at BJJ, and not so at striking! I think he could work on it all he wants and he still will never get to a high level unfortunately.
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Shields has no natural striking technique, everything is awkward and often telegraphed.

He will never get close to beating GSP.

GSP is a freak, he shrugged Shields off like he was nothing. The guy that man handled Henderson had nothing to offer him just shows how ridiculously good he is. I did predict that though, Henderson's wrestling in MMA just isn't that great. GSP's on the other hand...

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Its to bad Cesar Gracie can't show 1/10 the class Shields has about the loss. Jake's keeping it real, Cesar is being a whiny bitch.
Amen. Shields is being a class act about the loss.

That being said I was surprised to see him not go for more takedowns. It should've been obvious a round or two into the fight that he was getting picked apart on the feet so might as well lose trying to get the fight to your strength than lose fighting where you're weak. Just my two cents - I know GSP has a way of throwing guys off their game.
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what I noticed:

stiff shoulders

flat footed

chin up a la Jonathan Brookins

no stance change

Jake Shields boxing is horrible
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I honestly think Jake needs to stay at 85. He just looks alot stronger against his opponents there..

Henderson is 40 years old and had an injury , Shields was nearly put unconscious. He was also nearly finished by Miller.

He had bad fight with Kampmann and looked even worse vs GSP.


He has looked pretty inconsistent in his fights as of late maybe he isnt as good as you think and the fighters he beat were alot closer to his skill than you thought regardless of the division he is in.


On the topic of the thread , I have no idea why he wouldnt do anything he could to try and get this fight on the mat.

bad game planning.

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Henderson is 40 years old and had an injury , Shields was nearly put unconscious. He was also nearly finished by Miller.

He had bad fight with Kampmann and looked even worse vs GSP.


He has looked pretty inconsistent in his fights as of late maybe he isnt as good as you think and the fighters he beat were alot closer to his skill than you thought regardless of the division he is in.


On the topic of the thread , I have no idea why he wouldnt do anything he could to try and get this fight on the mat.

bad game planning.
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One odd thing about Shields TDs, is that he took down Henderson with ease (yes he was nearly KOd and yes Henderson had back problems going into the fight and was apparently weight drained), but even in the second round, that full mount he got and beat-down he put on Henderson had to add to Hendersons problems dramatically. That type of beating really takes it out of you physically even if not mentally.

No doubt Shields should have done everything in his power to get this to the ground though, his BJJ ground game is about as good as it gets in MMA, infact I would say his guard passing ability is second to none in MMA.
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