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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 05-03-2011, 08:51 AM Thread Starter
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To become the best Georges St-Pierre, UFC champ needs Nick Diaz

By Jason Kelly

UFC welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre can beat opponents on his feet, he can take them down at will, he employs conditioning that enables him to fight hard for 25 minutes and not lose a step. He basically can do what he wants, when he want to do it.

Except, there is one thing St-Pierre does not do, and that is finish fights.

This is a constant criticism St-Pierre receives, and though he continuously affirms that he will finish his opponent leading up to the fight, he infrequently does such a thing. The French Canadian’s ability to stop his counterpart is within him, but St-Pierre appears to feel complacent fighting with an effective, yet safe and risk-free style. While it’s intelligent, it hinders his willingness to capitalize on an injured opponent and finish fights.

St-Pierre is not totally to blame for this. The fighters he competes against are the best welterweights in the world, and therefore finishing them is a tough task for anyone, but GSP has barely been threatened at any point of his six title defenses. The welterweight kingpin needs an opponent that will take the fight to him and has the skills to threaten St. Pierre, that challenge is Nick Diaz.

Strikeforce welterweight champion Nick Diaz is a fighter who is always dangerous no matter what he’s put through. He keeps trying to end the fight. Diaz’s boxing is arguably the best out of all the top welterweights in the world, and toying with the Stockton, Calif. native on the ground is no treat, either. Diaz’s conditioning, which is attributed to competing in triathlons, is impeccable, he can take a punch– just ask Paul Daley — and if anyone can get inside their opponent’s head, it is Diaz.

St-Pierre claims he likes to beat people at their own game, yet he does the exact opposite. When GSP fought Josh Koscheck, he kept the fight standing, where he was safe and could still do enough damage to win. Mind you, he crushed Koscheck’s eye socket, literally, yet St-Pierre would not advance and try to go for the finish. When “Rush” fought Dan Hardy, primarily a kickboxer, GSP put Hardy on his back seconds into each round and held the fight there for the majority of the 25-minute bout.

When St-Pierre defeated Jake Shields at UFC 129, GSP played it safe on his feet because of Shields’ submission abilities. But Shields was still able do damage to the champ with punches.

Where Shields is considered to be a less-than-average striker with phenomenal wrestling and Brazilian jiu-jitsu, his teammate at Cesar Gracie’s gym, Diaz, is considered to more well-rounded as an elite striker with great BJJ. St-Pierre would take a lot of punishment if he chose to stand with Diaz, and if GSP composed a game plan in which he planned to spend 25 minutes on the ground with Diaz, it would put him at significant risk of yielding an appendage having a submission applied. St-Pierre’s best plan would be to go aggressively for a finish.

When St-Pierre finished Matt Hughes (twice), Matt Serra and B.J. Penn, any one would have capitalized if he held back. GSP mixed striking with takedowns and ferociously beat all three of them because he felt the threat of fighting legends such as Hughes and Penn, as well as the threat of losing to the man who took his belt, Serra. With Diaz, GSP would be forced to finish him simply because there is now safe way to play with him for 25 minutes.

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Diaz showed his mettle in his stand-up war against Daley during the Strikeforce main event on April 9. Think about this: according to, Shields landed more shots that St-Pierre in their fight. Stats like that could make believers in Diaz’s ability to beat St-Pierre in the striking realm. On the other hand, “Rush” has demonstrated that he can hurt people with his punches and kicks, but hesitates to follow up for a knockout or submission after he injures his opponent. If St-Pierre missed with he beloved left jab, Diaz would counter with a flurry of head and body shots. In such scenarios, the UFC champ would have to capitalize immediately if he injured Diaz, and not be as cautious.

Because the permutations are endless, this is one of the few practical superfights. The hurdle of mismatched weight classes and cross-promotion does not exist on every plane.

Both defending champions that need a new top-level competitor and a worthy opponent. The Diaz-St-Pierre rumors swirled prior to GSP receiving the UFC welterweight belt around his waist at UFC 129 and only will continue to grow. Diaz could take flack for being elevated without defeating the likes Jon Fitch, Koscheck or Thiago Alves to get a UFC welterweight title shot. But then again, Shields showed his worth outside of the UFC before Strikeforce’s Zuffa days and few had a problem with him being there Saturday.

GSP fans want to see their favorite champion finish a fight, they want to see him take charge and exploit some of these guys he is scrapping in the cage, and that will not happen until he fights someone who is just as threatening as he is.

Today, that person appears to be Diaz. If the fight comes to fruition, the common criticisms for St-Pierre will cease — win or lose — because he will have fought to finish the fight.
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post #2 of 25 (permalink) Old 05-03-2011, 09:22 AM
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Diaz is overrated, seriously. He looks great because of who he fights. The man has a chin that has saved him from his own stupidity more than once, and his skills independently cannot really be questioned. The problem with Diaz is he always wants to fight his game and doesn't always have the tools to keep it there. Luckily for him he has been fed strikers as of late and he has wanted to throw, so he has done very well for himself. He was even luckier to have a bunch of people who give in to his epic level trash talk. In a fight with GSP he would get taken down, worked for a few seconds, let up, then taken down again, etc, etc.

My point being, yes this fight will happen, yes Diaz will be hyped as the guy to beat GSP, and yes GSP will decision his way to a victory. Honestly I don't care anymore about GSP fights, they never live up to the hype.
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Nick needs GSP, not the other way around.
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Diaz will get destroyed. This isn't a promising fight it will be a beat down. Shields is a much better fighter than Diaz ever has been. Diaz is almost finished consistently because every fight he blocks punches with his face. GSP is to good to be submitted from the guard, Legit grappler's rarely ever get submitted from the guard anymore and GSP/Diaz won't be an exception.

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Here we go again. Another inferior fighter put in front of GSP and hyped up as being 'The greatest threat' then when the fight happens GSP makes them look silly and GSP gets all the hate. Wasn't it just Friday that Jake Shields was a massive threat to GSP and the 'Perfect match up to beat GSP'? Shields couldn't even threaten GSP with one good eye.

After Diaz who next will get the hype treatment?
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Like Toxic pointed out

Shields would most likely beat Diaz as well if he not already does so in training.
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Diaz will beat GSP and everyone (including myself) will soil their pants.

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oh bobby and co have you guys not learned to not doubt nick diaz? you guys said nick's getting koed against daley he has an average chin blah blah blah, nick has a better guard than anyone gsp has ever vsed, nick has better boxing than anyone gsp has vsed, nick has better cardio than anyone gsp has vsed. yet somehow this is already supposed to be a one sided beatdown despite gsp not being impressive for a very long time.

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Originally Posted by UFC_OWNS View Post
oh bobby and co have you guys not learned to not doubt nick diaz? you guys said nick's getting koed against daley he has an average chin blah blah blah, nick has a better guard than anyone gsp has ever vsed, nick has better boxing than anyone gsp has vsed, nick has better cardio than anyone gsp has vsed. yet somehow this is already supposed to be a one sided beatdown despite gsp not being impressive for a very long time.
I would put a lot of money on Thiago Alves beating Nick Diaz.

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oh bobby and co have you guys not learned to not doubt nick diaz?
Have you learned not to doubt GSP? Just a week ago everything your were writing about Diaz was being said about Shields (except for striking). Yet Shields only landed anything after he poked GSP in the eye. Couldn't take GSP down or even get an attempt. GSP seems to confuse every fighter and make them look amateur. Why would Diaz be any different?

GSP has faced top level competition while Nick is fighting guys cut from the UFC. I like Nick as a fighter but can't see anything other than hype (or hope) as evidence Nick stands a chance. GSP won't strike with Nick. Nick's game off his back isn't strong enough to overcome GSP's top control. It might be a boring fight but it will be a clear GSP victory with more undefeated rounds.
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