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Old 05-04-2011, 12:33 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I personally like the idea of fewer PPV (one per month is perfect) and a couple of fight nights. It allows the UFC to build up the PPV and stack to card to the point of being worth buying. No more Fitch/Penn or Mir/Cro Cop PPV headliners please. If there isn't a title fight I have a hard time convincing my casual fan friends to throw down 10 bucks and spend a Saturday night in my basement.
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This list should make you happy

May 7th - Bellator 43 - Jay Heiron vs Rick Hawn
May 14th - Bellator 44 - Hector Lombard, Patricky Freire, and Dan Hornbuckle fights
May 21st - Bellator 45 - LHW title finale and FW finale
May 28th - UFC 130 - Edgar/Maynard III, Jackson/Hamill, Mir/Nelson, Santiago/Stann Spike TV card Story/Alves and Torres/Johnson

June 4th - TUF finale - Brookins/Stephens, Guida/Pettis, Kingsbury/Maldano (facebook should have Roop/Grispi)
June 11th - UFC 131 - Lesnar/Dos Santos, Maia/Munoz, Danzig/Cerrone, Florian/Nunes
June 18th - Strikeforce - Werdum/Overeem, Barnett/Rogers
June 26th - UFC on Vs - Marquardt/Johnson, Kongo/Barry, Kampmann/Howard, Mitrione/Morecraft
June 26th - Bellator

July 2nd - UFC 132 - Cruz/Faber, Silva/Leben, Ortiz/Bader, Condit/Kym, Siver/Wiman
July 30th - Strikeforce - Henderson/Fedor, King Mo/Roger Gracie,

Aug 6th -UFC: Phili - Evans/Davis, Nog/Franklin
Aug 14th - UFC on Vs
Aug 27th UFC:Rio - Silva/Okami, Rua/Griffin

14 MMA events, 9 of them are free, only 4 weeks this summer where we will have no MMA, pretty much every major guy is fighting.

Get pumped for the best MMA summer ever
ahh now thats an awesome list! haha...didnt realize there would be so many bellator events O.o..its hard for me to watch it since i dont have MTV2 here but i sure as hell will go out of my way to download those shows

thank god for bellator and strikeforce cuz UFC should really be putting up more fights

though i didnt know about fight night in june so thats awesome! i was just hoping to see a lot of events now that the UFC has a shit ton of fighters, especially the lower classess

at least they have been givins us some very stacked cards as of late, and many more to come

i think with the addition of new fighters UFC could be putting on more PPVs..even if they are just filled with lighter classess, UFC now has enough talent to pretty much stack almost every card and be doing at least 2 ppvs a month

maybe the would lower the prices on the less stacked ones then
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Nice list above

Bare in mind also last year we had 4 WEC events during the time period listed, so Zuffa has a hole have so far failed to use the merge of the WEC to host more events, thats about 40 less MMA fights, you can bet that every division in the UFC right now is suffering in lack of development in the divisions from this merge with that many fights cut so far this year alone.

Each and every time there is a FW or BW fight on a prelim or main card, and there has bee a lot, thats a fight taken away from the other weight divisions in the UFC, less fighter development, less divison development, I knew straight away this merge sucked for the fans, I fear now Striekforce is heading for the same fate, thus far they have lost Mayhem and its looking ever more like they will lose Diaz, I would not be surprised if Melendez is next to follow Diaz and Shields, looks like the first steps of losing the organisation as the UFC gives then nothing and one by one takes the fighters they want, yet there is no sign of more shows to support the increased number of fighters and in the WEC case divisions.

I'm sorry it maybe expansion of the UFC but its sure as hell not working out well or helping to expand the sport.
You're such a pesimist Killer.

It is helping the sport expand.

the fact that the UFC is having a bigger break between events isn't something that bad. Comm'on.

I remember the begginning of the year: january+february: 9 weekends, 8 of them had somekind of an event (2 were SF i believe - not gonna check it out now).

1. The UFC-WEC merger is a great thing for me. I don't agree witht he statement "it steals air time" from the other divisions. I rather see top FWs and BWs fight, instead of watching sub-mediocre bigger guys fight on the under cards.

Plus: the merge was heavenly for the WEC fighters, who now, can make a decent living, just like Korean Zombie said. He was making 5,000 per fight. That's ridiculous for a guy who has to split that money with trainers, managers etc.
Now they are getting paid the right way.

2. I am fine with having mediocre fighter cut also. Fighters need to know, there are others out there, knocking on the UFC's door, wanting to get a spot in the biggest fighting organisation in the world.
This keeps everyone highly motivated: to train hard, to fight harder, to put on a show.
If not?! *It's 2nd/3rd rate promotions for you buddy*

3. I've seen a lot of fighters getting injured and pulling out of fights.
And even though there are others to fill in, if a fighter gets injured, you can't have too many fighters under contract, for the simple fact that it goes against the "keeping a high level of competitiveness" factor.

4. I love UFC's strategy of trying to win new fans = Facebook streams. An amazing idea.

5. Even though April lacked in events - UFC 129 made up for that. 55,274 people at a live event = almost 3 live shows.

6. Look at the month of June Killer. It's stacked.

7. Fighters need a small break from time to time...they're humans also.

All in all, i think the level of fights in the UFC this year, has definitely gone up - a lot, compared to last year.

It's getting more and more competitive out there. I can't wait for the SF guys to make the switch over to the UFC. Especially the HWs.
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The reasons we are having less UFC's

A.) Retirement of major PPV draws
B.) Expansion of prelim facebook fights
C.) Major cuts of undercard/prelim fighters
D.) A drive to make UFC more visible during the sports/TV off-season

I believe we are seeing as many fights as we used to but now they are back to back so instead of a WEC event which had 4-5 fights we have the facebook prelims that have a lower level of talent but a wider spread of weight classes.
this is inaccurate and chances nothing, for a start including the Prelims WEC event hosted 10 or 11 fights per night, the prelims they are now showing on Facebook where always on the cards anyway so these are not extra fights they are just the fight that where always on anyway only now they show them on FB.

The point its that without the WEC events there has so far been this year 40 fights less than this time less year, those 40 fights no matter if you see them or not, they help to build the division and bring new contenders though the ranks, without those fights the sport suffers due to lack of development in the divisions and more fighters been out of action, 40 fights that 80 fighters that have suffered from not been in action, thats is in no way what so ever good for the sport.

The Merge of the WEC was a huge negative hit to the sport, as will be the loss of Strikeforce.
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this is inaccurate and chances nothing, for a start including the Prelims WEC event hosted 10 or 11 fights per night, the prelims they are now showing on Facebook where always on the cards anyway so these are not extra fights they are just the fight that where always on anyway only now they show them on FB.

The point its that without the WEC events there has so far been this year 40 fights less than this time less year, those 40 fights no matter if you see them or not, they help to build the division and bring new contenders though the ranks, without those fights the sport suffers due to lack of development in the divisions and more fighters been out of action, 40 fights that 80 fighters that have suffered from not been in action, thats is in no way what so ever good for the sport.

The Merge of the WEC was a huge negative hit to the sport, as will be the loss of Strikeforce.
Again i have to say: too pesimistic Killer.

I know you were against the UFC-WEC merger and the ZUFFA-SF buy-out, but this won't stop the sport from evolving.
Not at all!

It's events like UFC 129 that help the sport evolve and expand all over the world.

It's the UFC showing more and more fights on Facebook that helps build on the popularity of the sport.

It's having more and more champions compete in the UFC, world class fighters, the most skilled fighters out there - that helps this sport evolve.

Yes - with the WEC's *disappearance* the fans have lost the opportunity to watch more fights.
And yes, the WEC has its merits on making fighters like Pettis, Henderson, Also, Cruz, Faber, Bowles and others - known tot he large audience.

WEC was their trambuline to the big stage. Who knows?! Without WEEC, maybe they woulnd't have ende up at this level today.

But, with the merger, there have been a lot of fighters released from the UFC. And let's be honest, the majority of those fighters - 70%+ - were mediocre at best.

And, atm the WEC fighters are taking their places on the UFC cards.

And it is my honest opinion that the quality of the fights/events has gone up significantly this year.

Proof: the Alves vs Story fight is gonna be on the undercard!

That's what this comes down to imo.

Quality before quantity! ... Even though the undercard fighters put on some great fights sometimes.

And, i am happy for the WEC fighters, who made switch to the UFC. Like i've said in my previous post: guys like the Korean Zombie:

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(after his win over Garcia)

I find it ridiculous that fighters like him were doing 5,000 per fight in WEC. Considering the hard work he puts in, the expenses - trainers, doctors, fight gear, food, vitamins, travelling etc...

More than ridiculous.

Now fighters like him can eran a decent pay and focus on training, become a better fighter, in order to reach the top = better quality fighter.

I just wouldn't feel good to watch these guys fight all year long, with 2 months breaks between fights, knowing they make a shitty living with the money they earn - just so i can enjoy seeing them bat the crap out of eachother, for my/our amusement.

That's not cool.

And Dana said it annyway: he wants to have weekly events scheduled in the future.

So, don't worry. Have some patience.
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Again i have to say: too pesimistic Killer.

I know you were against the UFC-WEC merger and the ZUFFA-SF buy-out, but this won't stop the sport from evolving.
Not at all!

It's events like UFC 129 that help the sport evolve and expand all over the world.

It's the UFC showing more and more fights on Facebook that helps build on the popularity of the sport.

It's having more and more champions compete in the UFC, world class fighters, the most skilled fighters out there - that helps this sport evolve.

Yes - with the WEC's *disappearance* the fans have lost the opportunity to watch more fights.
And yes, the WEC has its merits on making fighters like Pettis, Henderson, Also, Cruz, Faber, Bowles and others - known tot he large audience.

WEC was their trambuline to the big stage. Who knows?! Without WEEC, maybe they woulnd't have ende up at this level today.

But, with the merger, there have been a lot of fighters released from the UFC. And let's be honest, the majority of those fighters - 70%+ - were mediocre at best.

And, atm the WEC fighters are taking their places on the UFC cards.

And it is my honest opinion that the quality of the fights/events has gone up significantly this year.

Proof: the Alves vs Story fight is gonna be on the undercard!

That's what this comes down to imo.

Quality before quantity! ... Even though the undercard fighters put on some great fights sometimes.

And, i am happy for the WEC fighters, who made switch to the UFC. Like i've said in my previous post: guys like the Korean Zombie:



(after his win over Garcia)

I find it ridiculous that fighters like him were doing 5,000 per fight in WEC. Considering the hard work he puts in, the expenses - trainers, doctors, fight gear, food, vitamins, travelling etc...

More than ridiculous.

Now fighters like him can eran a decent pay and focus on training, become a better fighter, in order to reach the top = better quality fighter.

I just wouldn't feel good to watch these guys fight all year long, with 2 months breaks between fights, knowing they make a shitty living with the money they earn - just so i can enjoy seeing them bat the crap out of eachother, for my/our amusement.

That's not cool.

And Dana said it annyway: he wants to have weekly events scheduled in the future.

So, don't worry. Have some patience.
im a patient man but its hard to be one when it comes to MMA! but you are right about the quality of fights, even though actual UFC ppvs are pretty much the same as last year the quality has been much better with way more stacked cards so you really cant complain about that

but hell dana, all im asking for is more of your product lol, i guess that when the UFC starts getting the FW and BW contenders and top 10 sorted out, and sign all the new top guys in those divisions and then merge with strikeforce and sort them out

THEN we might start having weekly events! wich im guessing would be sometime next year or ins 2013 if the world doesnt end...knowing how fast UFC does things...id put my money on next year
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im a patient man but its hard to be one when it comes to MMA! but you are right about the quality of fights, even though actual UFC ppvs are pretty much the same as last year the quality has been much better with way more stacked cards so you really cant complain about that

but hell dana, all im asking for is more of your product lol, i guess that when the UFC starts getting the FW and BW contenders and top 10 sorted out, and sign all the new top guys in those divisions and then merge with strikeforce and sort them out

THEN we might start having weekly events! wich im guessing would be sometime next year or ins 2013 if the world doesnt end...knowing how fast UFC does things...id put my money on next year
I think of it this way: the UFC was in deep s*it when Dana and the Fertita Bros bought it.

They basically saved it from going bankrupt and made it a multi bilion dollar business and the fastest expanding sport in the world.

They bought Pride and the sport didn't move one inch backwards, even though a lot of people expected it.

I will trust that ZUFFA - Dana & the Fertita's - know what their doing.

Everything else - talksfrom the fans about why aren't there more fights or why *this and that* - are just smacktalk.
If Dana were to listen to every fan's complains and suggestions, this sport would be a freak show.

That's why they running the sport and the rest of us are not.

PS: just out of curiosity - do you buy UFC PPVs?!

Same goes for you to Killer?! Are you buying UFC cards?!


I'll admit on not buying: i can't, because i can't order it (wrong continent) and i wouldn't have the necessary money most of the time annyway.
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I think of it this way: the UFC was in deep s*it when Dana and the Fertita Bros bought it.

They basically saved it from going bankrupt and made it a multi bilion dollar business and the fastest expanding sport in the world.

They bought Pride and the sport didn't move one inch backwards, even though a lot of people expected it.

I will trust that ZUFFA - Dana & the Fertita's - know what their doing.

Everything else - talksfrom the fans about why aren't there more fights or why *this and that* - are just smacktalk.
If Dana were to listen to every fan's complains and suggestions, this sport would be a freak show.

That's why they running the sport and the rest of us are not.

PS: just out of curiosity - do you buy UFC PPVs?!

Same goes for you to Killer?! Are you buying UFC cards?!


I'll admit on not buying: i can't, because i can't order it (wrong continent) and i wouldn't have the necessary money most of the time annyway.
well ive always thought ufc was great for MMA and i was very pro UFC after buying strikeforce, i do think they see NFL and not other MMA orgs as competition so they will always want to give us better and better fights

but yes i do buy the ppvs now, before i also couldnt, here in brazil we didnt even have the option of buying it also so i downloaded them but now we can buy them so i do to try and support the UFC

though sometimes the PPVs are free in HD here, we've come a long way lol

anyway, i realize it can and will be a pain in the ass for some to afford so many ppvs, its not like im typing on a pile of cash, but i always watch the ppvs with my friends so we split it

so i know it might no be a good idea to do so many ppvs in one month, but if some1 cant afford they can still download it, or go to a bar

OR the UFC could simply do what i hoped wich is one stacked card per month (at the end of the month), wich would be the ppv and leading up to the ppv give us 3 solid fight nights with 5 round main events...i think that would be awesome

i realize its too much to do 2-3 ppvs a month and all of them always be stacked
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well ive always thought ufc was great for MMA and i was very pro UFC after buying strikeforce, i do think they see NFL and not other MMA orgs as competition so they will always want to give us better and better fights

but yes i do buy the ppvs now, before i also couldnt, here in brazil we didnt even have the option of buying it also so i downloaded them but now we can buy them so i do to try and support the UFC

though sometimes the PPVs are free in HD here, we've come a long way lol

anyway, i realize it can and will be a pain in the ass for some to afford so many ppvs, its not like im typing on a pile of cash, but i always watch the ppvs with my friends so we split it

so i know it might no be a good idea to do so many ppvs in one month, but if some1 cant afford they can still download it, or go to a bar

OR the UFC could simply do what i hoped wich is one stacked card per month (at the end of the month), wich would be the ppv and leading up to the ppv give us 3 solid fight nights with 5 round main events...i think that would be awesome

i realize its too much to do 2-3 ppvs a month and all of them always be stacked
True fan!

You hit the *X* mark there: the UFC can't really put together that many shows atm imo.

Imagine having double the events they have now. That would mean double the PPVs.

Even die hard fans would have 2nd thoughts about buying all events. Splitting them with friends would be an option, but let's be realistic: it wouldn't be an easy task being a real fan. Not many people can afford the luxury of buying a PPV every week or even every 2nd week.

I believe Dana and The Fertita's are looking at this situation from all angles, trying to find out how they can make the best out of it.

For the future, i think they will try putting together two or three HUGE events.
1. definitely the Toronto card (55,000 people). That's a winner.
2. a big card for the 4th of July
3. a big New Year's Eve card (inside an NFL stadium maybe?!)

Then you have the card in Brazil + Australia + Germany. Sweeden will get a slot also i believe.
That's 7 events right there. + Toronto and Vancouver = 9 already.
Add to this at least 5 UFC numbered events in the US = 14.
On top of this you still have two TUF Finale shows + at least two UFN shows + at least two UFC on Versus shows and one Fight for the Troops card.

All these cards will add up to a total of 21 events.

This is what i see happening in 2012. At least i hope so.
(Bookmark this thread and revive it after it happens )

And i hope the UFC goes to Japan and Hawaii also.
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