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Old 05-04-2011, 08:34 AM   #21 (permalink)
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silva has palhares,falcao,santiago,stann,sonnen rematch,bisping and maybe lombard if he ever signs with the ufc. he has plenty.
gsp has diaz,story,ellnburger,macdonald,condit and rocha if he gets better stand up.
Falcao, Stann, Ellenburger, MacDonald? These guys aren't even top 10, none of them are even on the radar. Not sure what you're talking about.Aand you keep talking about "if Rocha gets better stand up", like it's a statistic you can put on the back of his baseball card. The dude just lost his last fight to a guy not in the top 10 with skills not even CLOSE to GSP. He's so far out of the title picture it's not even funny.

There are people in the title picture at WW and you managed to barely list any of them. The title picture for WW looks like this

Rick Story vs Thaigo Alves May 28th
Nate Marquardt vs Anthony Johnson June 26th
Carlos Condit vs Dong-hyun Kim July 2nd
Jon Fitch vs PJ Penn TBD

Clearly winners of Fitch v Penn 2 were closest to a shot but they got scrapped leaving the winners of Condit vs Kim closest, but their fight is 2 months away, which would leave GSP on the shelf at least 5 months. This isn't unheard of for GSP lol, so I think this is the most likely outcome aside from the rumblings of a possible crossover fight with Nick Diaz.

Beyond that I believe the winner of Story v Alves fight will face the winner of Marquardt v Johnson later this year for a number 1 contenders match. This is likely because Fitch will eventually beat Penn by decision in their rematch and be denied a title shot.
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:13 AM   #22 (permalink)
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obviously you dont know what potential means, falcao is a born killer, and rocha would sub everyone at welterweight given the right amount of time on the ground,macdonald is a beast child, and stann is a very big mw wiht good hands and wrestling.
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If GSP is that good, how come he is too scared to face Anderson Silva?

I don't get why everyone harp's on GSP but Silva is allowed to duck moving up. Ya he fought 2 guys one was a gimme and Forest. I say Silva is scared to face top 5 in the LHW. If I remember correctly it was stated he has no interest in fighting that weight. So that makes him scared in my book. I don't really care for BJ anymore but at least he had/has the stones to fight much bigger guys.
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obviously you dont know what potential means, falcao is a born killer, and rocha would sub everyone at welterweight given the right amount of time on the ground,macdonald is a beast child, and stann is a very big mw wiht good hands and wrestling.
Obviously you don't want to discuss reality. Carlos Rocha couldn't even sub Jake Ellenberger, what point is there in bringing him in to the conversation with GSP. He's what, 3 or 4 fights away from even worrying about it, and that's if he WINS those, but who knows, it's pure speculation. You want to project him as the future champion based on a win over Kris McCray and some failed sub attempts on Jake Ellenburger? It's asinine.

Falcao I'll grant you has a lot of potential but much of the same argument applies. Unless you have been scouring the internet for all his fights against B-level opponents in Brazil, there isn't a lot to watch on him. The times he's fought a truly good striker, Fabio Maldonado, he's lost by TKO both times. And so far his first UFC fight, aside from some boxing in the first round, against a guy with below average standup, was an amazingly boring fight. For a guy who is "a born killer", where was his killer instinct against Gerald Harris? His performance in round 3 of that fight was in my opinion JUST as bad Kalib Starnes infamous running man impression against Nate Quarry.
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If GSP is that good, how come he is too scared to face Anderson Silva?
it's because the only people who say he's scared just "assume" he is while anyone with a little bit of common sense would take their arguments, think about it and figure out they make actual sense.

this and because of many other reasons we have no clue about (business, personal whatever...)

the funny thing would be GSP going on to take the Strikeforce belt from Diaz


one thing is sure, the guys in the current TUF season would be eaten alive by anyone in the top 10 at WW and probably get Ko'd by GSP presence standing in front of him at the weigh ins.

I for one would like to see a rematch with Shields
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If GSP had some balls he would have faced Anderson Silva long time ago.
I love it when couch jockey's call out world class fighters for not having 'balls'. classic.
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Obviously you don't want to discuss reality. Carlos Rocha couldn't even sub Jake Ellenberger, what point is there in bringing him in to the conversation with GSP. He's what, 3 or 4 fights away from even worrying about it, and that's if he WINS those, but who knows, it's pure speculation. You want to project him as the future champion based on a win over Kris McCray and some failed sub attempts on Jake Ellenburger? It's asinine.
Dude, Morning, you're being a little harsh. Jake wanted nothing to do with Rocha's ground game after taking it to the mat and getting put in precarious positions. Though Rocha's stand-up is pretty awful, and it would take some fierce training to get it up to snuff, but if he were to get it to a level of just being respectable, he'll be wicked dangerous. I think that's what OWNS is getting at -- he's looking forward (a few fights ahead). If Rocha somehow manages to get that striking developed, look out. Granted, right now he is too one dimensional to be a top contender.
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Dude, Morning, you're being a little harsh. Jake wanted nothing to do with Rocha's ground game after taking it to the mat and getting put in precarious positions. Though Rocha's stand-up is pretty awful, and it would take some fierce training to get it up to snuff, but if he were to get it to a level of just being respectable, he'll be wicked dangerous. I think that's what OWNS is getting at -- he's looking forward (a few fights ahead). If Rocha somehow manages to get that striking developed, look out. Granted, right now he is too one dimensional to be a top contender.
He keeps bringing up Rocha like he's a contender and he clearly is not. He is 1 and 1 in the UFC coming off a loss to a wrestler far less skilled than GSP who dictated where the fight went. A year or 2 down the road? maybe? There's guys right now in the title picture, bringing Rocha in to the conversation with them is absurd. He hasn't beaten anyone yet!

I just did a search for UFC_OWNS and Rocha.

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diaz and condit will give gsp a fight and i think ellenburger and a rocha with striking would too
maybe BJ Penn with a katana would give GSP problems as well

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bj penn and eduardo rocha are the 2 guys who will end the wrestlers reign of terror on the welterweight division, hopefully nate diaz does too.
This is hilarious because it was posted 2/25 after Rocha lost to a wrestler.

Edit. I just looked up Ellenberger. He's a bluebelt. Fwiw
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If GSP is that good, how come he is too scared to face Anderson Silva?

I don't get why everyone harp's on GSP but Silva is allowed to duck moving up. Ya he fought 2 guys one was a gimme and Forest. I say Silva is scared to face top 5 in the LHW. If I remember correctly it was stated he has no interest in fighting that weight. So that makes him scared in my book. I don't really care for BJ anymore but at least he had/has the stones to fight much bigger guys.
So...GSP is scared...Anderson is scared....BJ is/was scared.

MMA is full of p*ssies, in your opinion.

I bet you are much more braver than all these guys combined...
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So...GSP is scared...Anderson is scared....BJ is/was scared.

MMA is full of p*ssies, in your opinion.
>< are you guys that dumb? do you follow Benny Hinn???
GSP always says he is the or wants to be the best p4p in the world, yet that boring frog eating chicken doesn't have guts to face Anderson Silva.
If you think about it, all MMA/UFC legends(Fedor, Randy, Anderson Silva, BJ, etc) fought much larger fighters except the Safe Pierre. (n lets not forget GSP is a BIG WW)
I really don't understand why people are saying GSP is the best all arounder when GSP can't even finish fights cos he doesn't have great striking/submission skills.
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