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Old 05-06-2011, 10:55 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Old 05-06-2011, 11:08 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Horrible post, not going to bother wasting time arguing with you.







I know what I'm talking about. I do think GSP can beat every middle weight. Anderson Silva isn't even one he has to worry too much about. It's guys like Okami and Sonnen he needs to worry about. Bigger stronger wrestlers would be the ones who threaten him most.

In LHW GSP can still beat plenty of them. "WHAT! Even though the fighter is smaller he can still win!?"

Yes he can. GSP would beat all the LHW's who were bad wrestlers. He would take them down very easily and and win by submission or decision. Don't you guys think he would beat guys like Houston Alexander, Bonner, Thiago Silva, probably even Randy Couture and Shogun? I know I do.

And for the HW's... He would beat Kongo at least. There's plenty of HW's he would beat by taking them down over and over and outscoring on the feet. I think he actually matches up very well against Big Nog. He's big, slow, and has bad stand up. GSP would outscore him on the feet for sure. I don't think he would be able to take GSP down, but GSP could take him down. That may be a bad Idea though.

So that's what I think. I don't feel like checking this thread a ton so if you agree with me then back me up.
Your ideas really aren't as crazy as they initially sound. Hope that doesn't sound harsh, but I did kinda read your first post with a "wtf" in my head.

In reality the notion of a fighter who weighs 195-200 lbs the day of the fight vs a fighter who weighs 220+ winning with wrestling isn't crazy at all. Especially when you are specifically referring to GSP vs. LHWs with terrible wrestling.

I hate to use real life examples but my roommate and I sometimes wrestle or do submission grappling. He has taken me down many, many times using leverage, explosiveness, and unpredictability. The reason I mention this is that I weigh 230lbs and he weighs maybe 140lbs soaking wet. The fact of the matter is he is a much better wrestler and athlete and those qualities are often able to neutralize my extreme size advantage.


All things being equal clearly my size would trump. But in reality do ant of us really still believe the LHW division is the deepest? Or in reality does the constant changing of belts demonstrate how shallow it really is (same goes for HW in all respects). Personally I used to consider it the deepest, now it just reminds me of the HW division; no one taking it to the next level. Perhaps Jones is the man that will do this and create a deep division.
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Old 05-07-2011, 06:43 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Your ideas really aren't as crazy as they initially sound. Hope that doesn't sound harsh, but I did kinda read your first post with a "wtf" in my head.

In reality the notion of a fighter who weighs 195-200 lbs the day of the fight vs a fighter who weighs 220+ winning with wrestling isn't crazy at all. Especially when you are specifically referring to GSP vs. LHWs with terrible wrestling.

I hate to use real life examples but my roommate and I sometimes wrestle or do submission grappling. He has taken me down many, many times using leverage, explosiveness, and unpredictability. The reason I mention this is that I weigh 230lbs and he weighs maybe 140lbs soaking wet. The fact of the matter is he is a much better wrestler and athlete and those qualities are often able to neutralize my extreme size advantage.


All things being equal clearly my size would trump. But in reality do ant of us really still believe the LHW division is the deepest? Or in reality does the constant changing of belts demonstrate how shallow it really is (same goes for HW in all respects). Personally I used to consider it the deepest, now it just reminds me of the HW division; no one taking it to the next level. Perhaps Jones is the man that will do this and create a deep division.
Thank you sir. If I appeared to be crazy at 1st then it is almost certainly because I am a free thinker while most people mindlessly conform to popular opinion . I think for myself and I receive negative reps from small minded people who think size = automatic win. When they hear someone say that GSP can beat some LHW's and HW's, instead of actually thinking about how the fight would play out in their head, they automatically side with conventional wisdom without putting any of their own free thought into the scenario.

Do people really think that GSP couldn't beat someone like Stephan Bonner? Or someone like Kongo with no take down defense. In mma, wrestling is more important than size. A great 170 like GSP can easily beat a 240 pound guy like Kongo.

GSP can beat people in weight classes higher than his. Anyone who disagrees is a hater.
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GSP can beat people in weight classes higher than his. Anyone who disagrees is a hater.
If thats the case how come we've never seen it? (i've seen AS, Shogun, Randy, BJ, Fedor, Edgar, etc fight larger fighers)
How come GSP is too scared to face AS? How come he has to fight "Safe" in WW and can't finish fights?

Anyway i guess you want to see AS vs GSP much as i do, so we can find out whos the best p4p in the world. You believe GSP can easily beat AS and i think it would be other way around, eitherway it would be the biggest fight in UFC history.

p.s. if you have chance watch UFC 112(Silva vs Maia), AS was suppose to face GSP at 170 if he won. GSP was at ringside to observe the fight and he looked so scared especially when AS performed like Bruce Lee in first two rounds.

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If thats the case how come we've never seen it? (i've seen AS, Shogun, Randy, BJ, Fedor, Edgar, etc fight larger fighers)
How come GSP is too scared to face AS? How come he has to fight "Safe" in MM and can't finish fights?

Anyway i guess you want to see AS vs GSP much as i do, so we can find out whos the best p4p in the world. You believe GSP can easily beat AS and i think it would be other way around, eitherway it would be the biggest fight in UFC history.

p.s. if you have chance watch UFC 112(Silva vs Maia), AS was suppose to face GSP at 170 if he won. GSP was at ringside to observe the fight and he looked so scared especially when AS performed like Bruce Lee in first two rounds.


You ever wonder why your bar is red? It's because of things like this. What exactly makes GSP scared of AS? Nothing but your opinion because that statement is absurd. GSP's style is taylor made to beat AS.

I believe he will absolutely tool AS 10 times worse than Sonnen without getting subbed. With that being said AS isn't scared of GSP, and GSP certainly isn't scared of AS.
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Old 05-07-2011, 09:47 AM   #56 (permalink)
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You ever wonder why your bar is red? It's because of things like this. What exactly makes GSP scared of AS? Nothing but your opinion because that statement is absurd. GSP's style is taylor made to beat AS.

I believe he will absolutely tool AS 10 times worse than Sonnen without getting subbed. With that being said AS isn't scared of GSP, and GSP certainly isn't scared of AS.
LOL fascinating.. GSP nuthuggers believe that GSP can easily beat everyone in MW, many LHW, some HW.. tsk tsk even GSP knows hes got no chance.

How come GSP haven't fought AS(or other MW/LHW) IF he can beat em easily?

Do you also think world is flat and Benny Hinn can cure aids and cancer? seriously take online IQ test and see if you can get three digits. At least smart GSP fans know that GSP doesn't have much chance against AS and they don't want to see AS vs GSP.
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Old 05-07-2011, 01:08 PM   #57 (permalink)
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LOL fascinating.. GSP nuthuggers believe that GSP can easily beat everyone in MW, many LHW, some HW.. tsk tsk even GSP knows hes got no chance.
Yeah. Show me once where I said any of that.

You keep writing your opinion like "GSP is scared" and "GSP knows hes got no chance" and you are saying it as fact. That is YOUR opinion which isn't backed by anything other than what you believe.

I can say AS is scared of GSP and it would hold just as much weight as your opinion. The difference is I would say "I think AS is scared because of X and Y." You say "GSP is scared" without adding anything else to your opinion which you post as fact.

Your bar is red because of stuff like this. I'm not talking shit. I'm trying to help you realize the idiocy of some of your posts.

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Because if he wants to make the move to MW he wants to do it permanently and vacate the WW belt. He wants to bulk up without having to worry about going up and down in weight. Fighting is a science to him. He's not here to take fights on a whim just to prove a point. He's building a legacy and doing it one fight at at a time.

If GSP moves to MW the size will be his biggest dis-advantage. How long do you think it would take him to bulk up to MW size? You expect him to just put that size on and take it off at will? It's not that easy.

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Wow. An online IQ test? Really?

Something tells me the only "smart" GSP fans in your opinion are the ones who think he would lose to AS.

GSP would play with AS like a kid with a happy meal toy. AS has no TD defense and GSP isn't getting subbed.

At least the smart AS fans know that AS doesn't have much of a chance against GSP /sarcasm

How old are you? Seriously? Out of high school yet?
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If the "super-fight" happens, whether at catchweight of 178-180 or at middleweight, and GSP does manage to control the fight and win.

If the win is by wrestling, gnp, lnp..or whatever are people going to be happy? does it take anything away from the win?

I want to see the fight, I want GSP to win, I don't care if its sonnen vs Silva 2, a win is a win, this is mma, not K-1
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Yeah. Show me once where I said any of that.
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I believe he will absolutely tool AS 10 times worse than Sonnen without getting subbed.
Well other GSP fan said GSP can beat all MW, most LHW, some HW(Kongo, Roy, etc) easily, just look above or check the first page. Anyway what you said was just as bad.


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You keep writing your opinion like "GSP is scared" and "GSP knows hes got no chance" and you are saying it as fact. That is YOUR opinion which isn't backed by anything other than what you believe.
I think most educated MMA fans know that GSP is avoiding Silva fight but obviously you are totally clueless. Like i said watch Silva vs Maia(UFC 112) and tell me if GSP doesn't look worried.

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Because if he wants to make the move to MW he wants to do it permanently and vacate the WW belt. He wants to bulk up without having to worry about going up and down in weight. Fighting is a science to him. He's not here to take fights on a whim just to prove a point. He's building a legacy and doing it one fight at at a time.

If GSP moves to MW the size will be his biggest dis-advantage. How long do you think it would take him to bulk up to MW size? You expect him to just put that size on and take it off at will? It's not that easy.
LOL you are full of crap, now you are saying GSP is too small and light for AS or MW? What happened to;
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I believe he will absolutely tool AS 10 times worse than Sonnen without getting subbed.
Slight size/weight issue shouldn't be a problem IF GSP is that great. would it be ok if they fight at catch weight then?

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Wow. An online IQ test? Really?
si, i would be surprised if clueless GSP fans like you can reach 120.

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Something tells me the only "smart" GSP fans in your opinion are the ones who think he would lose to AS.

GSP would play with AS like a kid with a happy meal toy. AS has no TD defense and GSP isn't getting subbed.
yer i've seen two different types of GSP nuthuggers, 1. they think GSP is somekind of God, 2. they know GSP will lose to AS and always bring up GSP's slight size/weight disadvantage.
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Well other GSP fan said GSP can beat all MW, most LHW, some HW(Kongo, Roy, etc) easily, just look above or check the first page. Anyway what you said was just as bad.
Oh so if one GSP fan said it, that means I must mean that too. Instead point to a different post and say "That was just as bad" when they are two completely different subject. Nice one. What were you saying about that IQ test?


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I think most educated MMA fans know that GSP is avoiding Silva fight but obviously you are totally clueless. Like i said watch Silva vs Maia(UFC 112) and tell me if GSP doesn't look worried.
LOL. Educated fans? Your opinion on educated fans is anyone who agrees with you. GSP doesn't look worried to me. Looks like he's focussed. Hell he was probably trying to figure out why Silva wanted to dance instead of fight.

FYI you're not winning points by brining up the Maia fight. That was far worse than any "boring" fights GSP has ever put on.


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LOL you are full of crap, now you are saying GSP is too small and light for AS or MW? What happened to;


You just don't get it. It's like a simple concept is far too complex for your little brain to handle.

GSP is too small right now. If and when he does fight at MW he will make sure he is up to size. He's is very scientific about his fights. He would put the correct size on, and absolutely **** Silva for 5 rounds.

He hasn't fought him yet because he wants to make sure he doesn't have to shift weight. Yes right now he is too small. If and when they do fight he will be up to size. Understand? Well given your post history... probably not.

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Slight size/weight issue shouldn't be a problem IF GSP is that great. would it be ok if they fight at catch weight then?
Slight? Andy has a pretty hefty size advantage right now. Catch weight is fine. But I'm not GSP, Dana, or Andy so it's not up to me.


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si, i would be surprised if clueless GSP fans like you can reach 120.
Says the guy who doesn't capitalize his sentences or use basic punctuation. Not only do you make retarded trollish psots, you then poorly attempt to insult the intelligence of those who try to explain a little bit of common sense to you.

Quite ironic when you think about it.


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I don't think he is a God, and I don't think he would lose to AS. I use logic: GSP's strengths are perfect for beating AS weakness. I suppose you're one of the AS fans who think he can just KO anyone anytime any place right?

I think it's hilarious you keep bringing up GSP fans and talk about how they are delusional and what not when it's obvious you would drop to your knees and start blowing AS on site.

GSP would beat AS hands down. GSP would have much more trouble with guys like Sonnen who are bigger stronger wrestlers.
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