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Old 05-03-2011, 11:44 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Anderson and Machida seek out Seagal for insight on new techniques.
Seagal teaches new techniques.
Anderson and Machida perform the first two front kick KOs in UFC history.
Anderson and Machida give credit to Seagal, as does Seagal himself.

Yeah, Im going to go out on a limb here and say Seagal is not a fraud...
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Old 05-03-2011, 11:52 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I'm glad Seagal is getting less slack these days as opposed to a few months ago. Yes, he did become fat. Yes, he is kind of a dick. However he is a master of his discipline, one which Anderson/Lyoto welcomed into their camp.
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Old 05-04-2011, 12:11 AM   #23 (permalink)
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You'd have to be very ignorant to dismiss Seagal simply because he was an actor. You have to understand that MMA is a new sport, and Seagal is an old guy...Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris were both actors, but these guys are serious martial artists just like Seagal is. It's kinda sad that you guys dismiss the old REAL martial artists as jokes simply because they are old, or focused on one art. These guys clearly have a lot of things to teach the MMA community, and like I said it's gonna get crazy in a couple years when all the real deadly stuff starts making it's way to MMA, we're just seeing some of it now, you guys just wait.
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Old 05-04-2011, 01:07 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I agree with most of the sentiments here. As a legitimate orange belt Aikido practicioner...lolz...there are some things that can be applied. It's not the most effective in a street fight, but when Seagal teaches fighters whom are proficient in their own respective arts it can ONLY ENHANCE their repertoire. Is it a coincidence that since he's been on board we've seen two of the SICKEST KOs in the history of the UFC. I'm not talking about a brute force punch, hook, roundhouse, or even a knee. Segal is legit.

Machida set that up beautifully with the left feint all night. Then all of a sudden it just came out of nowhere.
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:57 AM   #25 (permalink)
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True Aikido is not an entiity in and of itself. It came from many different arts and in its truest sense is a blending of them. While I am not a "fan" of Segal, being a black belt in TaeKwonDo and Aikido myself, I can appreciate what he brings to these guys. He is not giving them anything really new, but simply adjusting what they already have based on his own experience.
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:02 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Complete fraud. Dude is a master in a pretend choreography martial art, has no combat experience, got choked out by a real grappler the only time he was dumb enough to pick a fight (Gene Labelle) and shat his pants.

Silva and Machida are just being nice. What else are you going to do when a world-famous movie star wants to heap fame and attention on your sport/camp by pretending to be some kind of badass sensei? You humor him and use the attention.

FYI those of you crediting the front kicks to Seagal need to watch videos of Aikido and read up on it. It's absurd to credit that kick to a discipline that has no concept of a high kick. In fact it barely has concepts of striking, it is 99% an art based on wrist locks and throws, most of which don't work in real life.
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Its a conspiracy!!! Some of you people are really funny. Get a clue, obv Seagal has been helping them.
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:26 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I think this is all a big inside joke from Blackhouse. They're obviously friends with Seagal and he may or may not have helped them tweak some stuff, but it really doesn't matter. I think they're deliberately blowing his part in the story out of proportion while laughing their asses off.
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:41 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Hes doing something for them. He also likes to exaggerate. With his acting skills being as shite as they are, his exaggerations don't convince... they simply make him look like a fat idiot.

The one thing thats most telling, is that Silva and Machida have him in thier corner. thats crazy. I can dig the whole PR exercise idea. I can also understand the boys having fun and humouring him. But, fight night is serious shit. Play time is fooking over. Having him in their corner means something. There's no way they would put a fraudulent fat know-nothing in their corner on fight night. No way they would be in the mood for that kind of shit.
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:57 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Assuming the fact that he is an actual master, and the first American to be allowed to run an Aikido dojo in Japan, I'm fairly sure he's not a fraud. Just because he's a fat actor now, doesn't mean he wasn't, or isn't, a serious Martial Artist. Any of you nobodies that thinks he's a fraud need to GTFO.
most people don't understand what this means, when you know a little bit about japanese culture (I used to live there, in the actual part of town where he got his Dojo btw, pure coincidence), you realize that if they let it run his dojo in their own country, it probably means that he's one of the greatest of our, if not all times in his discipline.



that being said, when machida mentions him in the interview, you can see him and rogan smiling like it was some sort of private joke.

so really it's hard to tell, I want to say Segall is legit because hard evidence (having his own dojo in japan is hard enough to me) suggest he is. Being an actor might just have been a pleasant way for him to make a living out of his art, there were no UFC back then and I'm not sure running a dojo puts someone in a very comfortable situation, not as much as being a semi successful actor anyways.

so all in all, I think

1. he's legit and is actually coaching guys at blackhouse
2. they're over-using his notoriety to play it as a joke while truly, it's not


I actually seen a vid lately of rogan teaching GSP a kick, so segall teaching anderson and machida something, why not. He's been a dedicated martial artist his whole life

I'm sure there is no such kick in aikido but it's also safe to assume that segall didn't learn only aikido in his life. he could pretty much be very good in some other martial art.
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