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View Poll Results: GSP = Best P4P

Yes. GSP is the Best P4P! GSP GSP GSP!!! (and i also believe in Benny Hinn) 36 41.38%
No. GSP doesn't have phenomenal striking or submission skills to finish fights. 51 58.62%
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Old 05-08-2011, 07:04 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Anderson is my personal P4P no1 but you are blind if you cant see that the general opposition GSP has faced over the last 3 years has been higher.

Whilst Anderson was fighting Cote, Leben, Maia, Lutter and Leites GSP was fighting a prime Hughes, BJ, Thiago Alves, Jon Fitch and Josh Koscheck.

ATM GSP's win resume is 2nd to no-one, if Anderson continues to add names like Belfort, Okami etc to his resume which he is perfectly capable of overtaking GSP though.
So why did you leave out Hendo, Sonnen, Franklin, Nate, Griffin (former LHW Champion).

And didn't include Serra or Hardy in GSP's list?

It's all relative really.. they pretty much fought the same calibre of fighters. It depends on what you rate higher and which Fan you are.
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I'm not saying Anderson hasn't fought great fighters he has just fought a few less good ones. With the exception of Hardy GSP has fought world class guys every fight in the last 3 years. Which to me makes his resume slightly more impressive. P4P is a subjective thing though so you'll never get a definitive answer on it.
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I'm not sure how P4P works, but even if GSP fought Anderson Silva at 185 it would not really be a fair fight, nor a true representation of P4P in my eyes, even though i would expect GSP to win.
P4P is simply a fantasy, its not like it means anything and its totally subjective. IMO most the people you see ranking fighters p4p are just ranking there favorite fighter.

So you take the fighters and you "pretend" they all are in the same weight class and about the same size bla bla then you come up with who's the best fighter, its spose to emphasize skill over size. To me there is nothing legitimate about the pound for pound ranking because its fundamentally flawed in a million different ways.

Im saying (like I always do) we kick pound for pound down the road or at least add a mano a mano ranking. mano a mano means fist to fist and basically who would win if you ignored weight classes, at least that ranking would have some validity.
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I'm not saying Anderson hasn't fought great fighters he has just fought a few less good ones. With the exception of Hardy GSP has fought world class guys every fight in the last 3 years. Which to me makes his resume slightly more impressive. P4P is a subjective thing though so you'll never get a definitive answer on it.
World Class? Maybe world class wrestlers in terms of MMA, and one "world class" striker in Alves. A division isn't so stacked if there are 2-3 guys beating up on everyone else. A division isn't stacked when there is no real parody. That's a misconception.

Concerning what P4P means to me, it just means how good a fighter is compared to another fighter from another division, obviously. What determines that is how dominate are they in their respective divisions. The reason why this doesn't work to much is because the competition at every weight class is different in terms of skill sets. It's not like boxing where everyone has one skill set and that's punching.
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I'm not saying Anderson hasn't fought great fighters he has just fought a few less good ones. With the exception of Hardy GSP has fought world class guys every fight in the last 3 years. Which to me makes his resume slightly more impressive. P4P is a subjective thing though so you'll never get a definitive answer on it.
I don't know, but I don't think you can argue like that. I don't see GSP's opponents as being better. On top of that Anderson fought in 3 weight divisions and beat the champ plus former champ in every single one of them. First man to ever beat Mach Sakurai. That feet alone puts him far ahead of George. And then you need to put into consideration on how easy he makes it look. Thats what makes the difference for me!
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Concerning what P4P means to me, it just means how good a fighter is compared to another fighter from another division, obviously. What determines that is how dominate are they in their respective divisions. The reason why this doesn't work to much is because the competition at every weight class is different in terms of skill sets. It's not like boxing where everyone has one skill set and that's punching.
I agree but would add, The reason why it wont work is its not based in reality. P4P is a assumption that every fighter would somehow resemble themselves the way they are now in a different weight class.

Are we taking Anthony Pettis up to heavyweight or Brock down to LW, either way the fighters would be so changed that you cant make any kind of accurate assumptions, you cant change a fighters dimensions without changing the fighters skill set. A 5'8 155lb Brock Lesnar would be a totally different fighter, for better or worse who's to say?

P4P works better when the fighters you are comparing are close in weight class (like GSP vs Silva) but not at all when they are at different ends of the weight spectrum and because it wont work for all fighters it really shouldn't be used as a form of reference at all.
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I agree but would add, The reason why it wont work is its not based in reality. P4P is a assumption that every fighter would somehow resemble themselves the way they are now in a different weight class.

Are we taking Anthony Pettis up to heavyweight or Brock down to LW, either way the fighters would be so changed that you cant make any kind of accurate assumptions, you cant change a fighters dimensions without changing the fighters skill set. A 5'8 155lb Brock Lesnar would be a totally different fighter, for better or worse who's to say?

P4P works better when the fighters you are comparing are close in weight class (like GSP vs Silva) but not at all when they are at different ends of the weight spectrum and because it wont work for all fighters it really shouldn't be used as a form of reference at all.
Oh I think you can very easily figure out the top 5 of a p4p list, when it gets higher then it's a little tricky I agree.

For your example, it's impossible to include a HW like Brock Lesnar to such a list or in the top5. You never know how much of that weight helps him with winning his fights.. something we already know about Silva and GSP.

You could make a case for the small HW's like Fedor was back then or Cain today. But I am totally against putting a HW anywhere close to the top 5 because p4p was introduced to give the smaller guys some recognition in Boxing.

With Anderson and GSP we know how they would do if they had a different frame, cause they are that great and only their pure skills win them fights.

And if they are unbeatable for 5 years, then GSP and Andy are 1 and 2 on such a list and everybody else comes below.
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With Anderson and GSP we know how they would do if they had a different frame, cause they are that great and only their pure skills win them fights.
Thats just pure garbage and you know it.
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Thats just pure garbage and you know it.
are you kidding?

don't you see how incredible skilled they are? That doesn't change if they were both natural 145.

I think it's probably a little to difficult for you to make a p4p list cause you don't know how it works.
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