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View Poll Results: GSP = Best P4P
Yes. GSP is the Best P4P! GSP GSP GSP!!! (and i also believe in Benny Hinn) 36 41.38%
No. GSP doesn't have phenomenal striking or submission skills to finish fights. 51 58.62%
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Thats just pure garbage and you know it.
Hey? He''s bang on the money.

It doesn't matter if Anderson or GSP were born to fight at heavy weight or born to fight at bantamweight. You would still see the same dominant fighters.
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P4P rankings are flawed because the fighter may be able to physically lose/gain weight in order to make a fight but he may not be able to perform to his optimum at said weight.

GSP-Anderson Silva is the perfect debate, if Silva was to come down to 170 and lose people might say he wasn't able to handle losing so much weight and that it was unfair, also if GSP moved upto 185 people and lost people might say is not big enough for the weight class.

Personally i wish we would forget about P4P cos the concept is shit.

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This bs about anderson massively outweighing gsp is just not true, is dana whites videos blog AS said he was 197 (bearing in mind his fight is August 27th and the blog was pre UFC129), whereas multiple reports have GSP as weighing 194 before fights. Ok AS has a larger frame with longer limbs - but I guarantee you GSP is much stronger than AS and can outlift him at pretty much any excercise.
Now the crap about it being unfair is outta the way - IMO Anderson beats GSP and is therefore undisputed pound for pound king.
Find me where Anderson faces somebody bigger. Anderson was as big as Forrest when they fought and Forrest is considered a huge 205. He was bigger than James Irvin. Don't kid yourself Anderson is a big guy, the fact that he has 3 inches in height and has long arms and legs just gives the illusion he is that skinny.




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P4P rankings are flawed because the fighter may be able to physically lose/gain weight in order to make a fight but he may not be able to perform to his optimum at said weight.

GSP-Anderson Silva is the perfect debate, if Silva was to come down to 170 and lose people might say he wasn't able to handle losing so much weight and that it was unfair, also if GSP moved upto 185 people and lost people might say is not big enough for the weight class.

Personally i wish we would forget about P4P cos the concept is shit.
And thats why p4p has nothing to do with moving in weight or at least not much.

For example, Aldo can stay at 145 and go undefeated for the next 4, 5 years.. then he is the p4p king if Anderson and GSP start losing of course, otherwise they would of course be still ahead.

But if a guy at LW goes as well undefeated for the next 4, 5 years.. same as Aldo, but he also moves up and fight at WW for the title or just competes there as well, then he is of course ahead of Aldo.

Thats why Anderson is ahead these days, but there are also other factors like how easy they make it look and so on..
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Hey? He''s bang on the money.

It doesn't matter if Anderson or GSP were born to fight at heavy weight or born to fight at bantamweight. You would still see the same dominant fighters.
How would they be the same fighter when their physical dimensions have changed? To argue they would be the same is retarded.
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how would they be the same fighter when their physical dimensions have changed? To argue they would be the same is retarded.
either you really don't get it or you just don't want to..
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either you really don't get it or you just don't want to..
You cant "get it" its a extremely flawed model. And Im not trying to bust your chops. Believe me I understand p4p rankings, Ive talked about them with a few fighters and we have had a few threads that went into depth about it. Im 38 year old Bobby and Ive followed combat sports for 25 years.



Even the term "pound for pound" is not well defined and means something different to just about everyone you talk to. Fighter have a lot of the ability's they have because of their body.

All it is to me is very sloppy guesswork. If you dont understand where Im coming from then I give up.
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You cant "get it" its a extremely flawed model. And Im not trying to bust your chops. Believe me I understand p4p rankings, Ive talked about them with a few fighters and we have had a few threads that went into depth about it. Im 38 year old Bobby and Ive followed combat sports for 25 years.



Even the term "pound for pound" is not well defined and means something different to just about everyone you talk to.

All it is to me is very sloppy guesswork.
The thing is slapshot, if you respond with something like "when their physical dimensions have changed?" then I can only assume that you don't understand how p4p rankings work.

It's not about that at all.. the important word here is Natural Physical dimension! Not when they would change.. they were born that way.

IF GSP was born with a FW frame.. IF Anderson was born with a LW frame.. thats what p4p is about. And obviously, they wouldn't be less skilled then, they would just carry a different body frame.
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Find me where Anderson faces somebody bigger. Anderson was as big as Forrest when they fought and Forrest is considered a huge 205. He was bigger than James Irvin. Don't kid yourself Anderson is a big guy, the fact that he has 3 inches in height and has long arms and legs just gives the illusion he is that skinny.


Griffin looks slightly bigger, and I highly doubt Anderson's walk around weight is Griffin's. I would say Griffin would classify as a "bigger opponent". Anderson is a lanky guy. He's definitely not stocky and ripped.
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The thing is slapshot, if you respond with something like "when their physical dimensions have changed?" then I can only assume that you don't understand how p4p rankings work.

It's not about that at all.. the important word here is Natural Physical dimension! Not when they would change.. they were born that way.

IF GSP was born with a FW frame.. IF Anderson was born with a LW frame.. thats what p4p is about. And obviously, they wouldn't be less skilled then, they would just carry a different body frame.
Different body frame = different fighter, Im sorry but you cant have a Brock Lesnar at 155 and have him be as effective of a fighter as a Brock at 265. Your asking me to imagine a 155 fighter that retains Brocks physical attributes and its a fallacy.

But I do realize you and some others feel differently.
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