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View Poll Results: GSP = Best P4P

Yes. GSP is the Best P4P! GSP GSP GSP!!! (and i also believe in Benny Hinn) 36 41.38%
No. GSP doesn't have phenomenal striking or submission skills to finish fights. 51 58.62%
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Old 05-08-2011, 02:40 PM   #111 (permalink)
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Griffin looks slightly bigger, and I highly doubt Anderson's walk around weight is Griffin's. I would say Griffin would classify as a "bigger opponent". Anderson is a lanky guy. He's definitely not stocky and ripped.
Both could fight at HW and he dose have a size/reach advantage, but my opinions are rarely popular.
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That pic makes them look about the same size. Griffin has a couple inches, but the arms and torso look about the same.
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Oh I think you can very easily figure out the top 5 of a p4p list, when it gets higher then it's a little tricky I agree.

For your example, it's impossible to include a HW like Brock Lesnar to such a list or in the top5. You never know how much of that weight helps him with winning his fights.. something we already know about Silva and GSP.

You could make a case for the small HW's like Fedor was back then or Cain today. But I am totally against putting a HW anywhere close to the top 5 because p4p was introduced to give the smaller guys some recognition in Boxing.

With Anderson and GSP we know how they would do if they had a different frame, cause they are that great and only their pure skills win them fights.

And if they are unbeatable for 5 years, then GSP and Andy are 1 and 2 on such a list and everybody else comes below.
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Different body frame = different fighter, Im sorry but you cant have a Brock Lesnar at 155 and have him be as effective of a fighter as a Brock at 265. Your asking me to imagine a 155 fighter that retains Brocks physical attributes and its a fallacy.

But I do realize you and some others feel differently.
You clearly don't want to get it!

Thats fine.. just don't bother other people next time.
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You clearly don't want to get it!

Thats fine.. just don't bother other people next time.
Like bothering others is something you find offensive?
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Griffin looks slightly bigger, and I highly doubt Anderson's walk around weight is Griffin's. I would say Griffin would classify as a "bigger opponent". Anderson is a lanky guy. He's definitely not stocky and ripped.
Forrest is considered a huge LHW and Anderson is only slightly smaller. AS would not even be a small LHW. Anderson is not stocky and ripped but he is not small, he looks slimmer because of the length of his limbs. Look hard at that pic of Anderson and Forrest. There shoulders are around the same height and there wrists are sitting about the same height but Forrest's arm is hanging close to straight while Andersons is bent considerably at he elbow. Compare the actual width of there arms, Forrests is only slightly larger . Anderson I would place a considerable bet is thicker muscle wise than GSP is and its is merely Anderson's length and added height that makes him appear slimmer.
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How would they be the same fighter when their physical dimensions have changed? To argue they would be the same is retarded.
What? GSP and Anderson were born fighters bro. Doesn't matter if GSP was born to be 5 foot 5, he'd still be a machine. They're both extremely gifted and would be tremendous fighters at any weight class.
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I dont get it. Ok AS looks bigger when he is at 205, im sure GSP would look bigger when he is at 185, irrelevant as far as p4p goes.
A ufc 129 video blog AS says he is 197 (not cutting or anything) GSP before either hardy or koscheck or someone was 194 - there was a thread about this i can pull it up if you want me to). Please note GSP trains 24/7 whereas silva does take brakes. GSP has literally minimal body fat 365/yr and is certainly skinnier than AS, and therefore has more muscle per pound.
It really doesnt matter 'how big' AS looks when he has fought, but using facts to back up your opinion.
If AS is 197 now and GSP say is 195 pre-fight and they both cut down to 185, how can you say GSP has an advantage? Yes silva has a bigger frame (just like different fighters at the same weight??!!) but I would bet a large amount of money that GSP can easily outlift AS (seriously anyone doubting this??). These differences happen all the time to fighters in the same weight class (for example nate diaz and mcdonald).
People make a big tadoo about how GSP is at such a disadvantage and I wish people wouldnt make this excuse. However the fight goes down these guys ARE evenly matched and whoever wins it would be the p4p best.
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Anderson Silva can say he is a Leprechaun but that doesn't make it so.


Anderson Silva and a guy who fought most of his career at LHW and HW.




That is a LHW and one that struggled to make weight for that fight.




That is against Hendo who prefers to fight at 205 because of finding the weight cut hard. Notice Silva looks considerably larger. Take into consideration Silva is slouching while Dan is standing straight.



I really don't get how people think that Silva is not walking into the cage at well over 200.
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Old 05-09-2011, 02:00 AM   #120 (permalink)
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I dont see a huge difference in muscle mass but thats just me.
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