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View Poll Results: GSP = Best P4P

Yes. GSP is the Best P4P! GSP GSP GSP!!! (and i also believe in Benny Hinn) 36 41.38%
No. GSP doesn't have phenomenal striking or submission skills to finish fights. 51 58.62%
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Old 05-05-2011, 06:30 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 05-05-2011, 06:45 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I don't quite understand the poll here, the fact that i may or may not think that he possesses the ability to finish fights doesn't matter in the P4P rankings.

Of course, i voted that GSP is the number one guy. He has demolished everybody in his way. Stopping them or not, he makes world class fighter's look like amateurs, total dominance. Not to mention he just defeated Jake Shields who was a legit P4P fighter before the bout.

Right now i'm going with 1. GSP 2 Anderson Silva
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mi' lord maybe he is already satisfied in mw ..lyoto is there in lhw also lil nog.hes also growing old now.its good to finish his career as a mw champ (i hope so).
SO why is it ok for Anderson to be satisfied fighting at MW but not ok for GSP at WW?

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What about the fact that GSP has lost and AS hasn't?
Ask anybody and they would say that a guy who has never lost in the ufc is more dominant than a guy who has lost 2 times

(Serra ).
To me its easy to say GSP lost and not examine it further but lets be honest here, First off GSP was fighting in the UFC 2 years earlier. The loss to Hughes was a long ass time ago and Anderson was losing more fights early in his career against lesser competition. GSP has lost two fights in his career. One in his 8th career fight in 2004 against the greatest WW alive at that point bar none and the second he got caught in a flash knock out by a punch nobody on earth was expecting. Its fine to say GSP has lost but Anderson has lost more fights in his career and unlike GSP Anderson has never avenged those losses. GSP came back and completely dominated and outclassed Hughes and Serra. Anderson has yet to avenge any of his losses.


Anderson has lost 12.5% of his fights in his career while GSP has only lost 8%. Statistically Anderson loses one and a half as many fights. Mostly trivial meaningless numbers but just trying to show I can make them look like what ever I want to as well.

The guy who has lost a fight on a fluke and came back and destroyed him and then outclassed everyone he has fought is more dominant IMO than the guy who has lost numerous rounds and even been completely dominated before stealing a win.
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:06 AM   #24 (permalink)
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i would say its silva, but GSP is a very close second, many are talking about GSP making his opponents look like rookies but what about silva?

maia is a legit MW and he played with him in a way no1 can, belfort is ALWAYS a dangerous and tough opponent who had never been KOed and silva KOs him in the 1st round easily, first ever to do that, franklin was dominating at MW and silva destroyed him without breaking a sweat, leben had never been stopped and anderson stopped him in the 1st also, griffin, a former UFC LHW champ, a guy who gives EVERY LHW a hell of a tough time was schooled like no other fighter in the history of the sport, a former LHW champ with wins over rampage, shogun, rich was no match for anderson silva

sure he had the lutter fight, but lets not also forget he had surgery on both his knees 2 weeks before that fight

then the henderson fight...because henderson is a easy opponent for some reason...ppl can say henderson is meant for LHW but he was doing great at MW before and after anderson

and the sonnen fight, wich simply proves just how damn good anderson is, after a 4 round war he was still able to pull out a triangle in the 5th, you know how many fighters would have been broken by then? or not even be phisically capable of doing that?

also sonnen is one of if not THE best wrestler in the UFC and that is andersons biggest weakness and anderson STILL comes out on top, i would bet sonnen beats GSP

and last but not least i think anderson would beat GSP so that makes it easier to rank him higher

but in the end, if you want to talk about outclassing guys in the UFC no1 doest that better than anderson, taking every opponent to a UD isnt THAT impressive IMO..and im not a GSP hater, i dont even care if he finishes or not

also Anderson has never backed out of a fight because of an injury in all of his career in the UFC, i also think thats very impressive, though GSP hasnt either

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P4P is often argued, as in this case, of record vs record. Who did GSP beat and who did Silva beat? To me P4P's always been a different hypothetical... scale up GSP's body and frame to Silva's 6'2", and who would win if they fought each other?

I don't blame GSP for not wanting to move up in weight and fight Silva. GSP knows how easy it was for him to handle Penn in their second fight. Sometimes size... not just weight, cannot be overcome if skill is fairly equal. On top of Silva having about 4" in height on GSP, his proportions are different. The ratio of Silva's legs to torso are different (longer legs). Silva's an excellent striker with kicks, and even if they fought each other at the same weight, Silva's reach advantage with legs and arms would offer a significant problem for GSP.

But if I could play God and expand GSP's height and weight to match Silva's... which of the two would win now that skill, fitness and determination are the only differing factors. Kind of an aside, but this is why I think Jon Jones is going to rule the LHW division the way Silva and GSP have ruled their classes. Jones' frame, height, leg length and size are almost unfair for the division.
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P4P is often argued, as in this case, of record vs record. Who did GSP beat and who did Silva beat? To me P4P's always been a different hypothetical... scale up GSP's body and frame to Silva's 6'2", and who would win if they fought each other?

I don't blame GSP for not wanting to move up in weight and fight Silva. GSP knows how easy it was for him to handle Penn in their second fight. Sometimes size... not just weight, cannot be overcome if skill is fairly equal. On top of Silva having about 4" in height on GSP, his proportions are different. The ratio of Silva's legs to torso are different (longer legs). Silva's an excellent striker with kicks, and even if they fought each other at the same weight, Silva's reach advantage with legs and arms would offer a significant problem for GSP.

But if I could play God and expand GSP's height and weight to match Silva's... which of the two would win now that skill, fitness and determination are the only differing factors. Kind of an aside, but this is why I think Jon Jones is going to rule the LHW division the way Silva and GSP have ruled their classes. Jones' frame, height, leg length and size are almost unfair for the division.
i think GSP could avoid this situation by simply being humble and saying Anderson would kick his ass if he moved up, i think the size difference is too much also, not so much the weight but the height, its obvious GSP is a WW and anderson is a MW

Anderson admits JBJ would kill him and always says he wants to finish his career at MW, thats why many ppl dont complain about him

but everytime some1 asks GSP about anderson he responds with ''i think i can beat him, its just a matter of putting on the weight the right way'' or ''i think i could compete at MW''

damn if he isnt sure just admit you would get your ass kicked and that you want to stay at WW
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i think GSP could avoid this situation by simply being humble and saying Anderson would kick his ass if he moved up, i think the size difference is too much also, not so much the weight but the height, its obvious GSP is a WW and anderson is a MW

Anderson admits JBJ would kill him and always says he wants to finish his career at MW, thats why many ppl dont complain about him

but everytime some1 asks GSP about anderson he responds with ''i think i can beat him, its just a matter of putting on the weight the right way'' or ''i think i could compete at MW''

damn if he isnt sure just admit you would get your ass kicked and that you want to stay at WW
Yer couldn't agree more. But fact is GSP isn't that much smaller than AS. Even Kos is around 200, i bet GSP is around 205-210. AS used to be very light for MW but i think he walks around 220 now days, either way the weight difference between two aren't that great and they can easily fight at catch weight(say 175-180) so i dont think there would be any unfair disadvantage for GSP.
Height difference shouldn't make the fight unfair, there are heaps of tall(slimmer) fighters in UFC and many got beaten by shorter(stocky) fighters. I think it comes down more to the training, skill, game plan, endurance and maybe bit of luck.
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GSP walks around at 195. He has said it and his trainers have.

Anderson walks around over 220.
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Yer couldn't agree more. But fact is GSP isn't that much smaller than AS. Even Kos is around 200, i bet GSP is around 205-210. AS used to be very light for MW but i think he walks around 220 now days, either way the weight difference between two aren't that great and they can easily fight at catch weight(say 175-180) so i dont think there would be any unfair disadvantage for GSP.
Height difference shouldn't make the fight unfair, there are heaps of tall(slimmer) fighters in UFC and many got beaten by shorter(stocky) fighters. I think it comes down more to the training, skill, game plan, endurance and maybe bit of luck.
I've noticed that of your 60 some odd post over half of them are about GSP, seems like an obsession, almost like your obsession with Benny Hinn.... But you might want to consider that GSP is on record many times that his walk around weight is between 192-194, not 205-210. Of course Silva's walk around weight of 220 includes a lot of cheeseburgers, so I agree that a fight at 185 their weight would not be that far apart, maybe a few pounds advantage to Silva. Silva's frame however is naturally suited to this weight, while GSP is far more suited to 170 and he is clearly already bulking up the the max his frame can carry for him to perform at his peak athletic ability.

Hight difference doesn't make fight's "unfair", but it will definitely give an advantage to Silva. It makes it more difficult for GSP to establish range with his jab, his weapon of choice, if he has a large reach disadvantage. Of course this fight GSP would naturally want to take Silva to the ground. Most likely GSP would be just as successful as many other wrestlers in the past have been at taking Silva down, but I'm not sure he would be as tenacious at keeping him there as Sonnen was. GSP tends to make attempts to actually PASS guard and this might get him in trouble. Where I doubt he would be in much trouble is from sub attempts from the bottom, GSP has unparalleled posture and sub defense while Sonnen has a sub easy-button. But every time GSP tries to pass, Silva has a chance to get back up, and that's a dangerous place for GSP, or anyone, to be.

However, P4P in my eyes is not predicated on actually SEEING the fighters in question fight. It's a title bestowed by the fans and on this subject I'm pretty sure the jury is still out or we wouldn't be so heavily debating it. I think the future will decide in the end who was the best P4P fighter of this era, GSP or Silva. In other threads this past week I provided a lot of metrics that I think are relevant to the subject that get overlooked, mostly "strength of schedule", and in that category GSP wins hands down.

http://www.mmaforum.com/ufc/90641-gr...ml#post1406994

If you look at GSP's last 10 opponents they have a 3.77/1 win/loss ratio compared to a 2.7/1 win/loss ratio of Silva's last 10 opponents. It would be AWESOME if I had a number to weight each of the opponents those 10 guys fought in the same fashion, but that would take far too long. But clearly the difference is already significant. GSP has fought far stronger opponents, in dominant fashion.

On the other hand, in Silva's favor he has finished far more of his opponents.


I tend to proclaim one as the GOAT after his fight and then flip/flop as soon as the other fights, because they are just both so impressive it's impossible for me to chose
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i bet GSP is around 205-210.
You're the biggest TROLL i've ever seen.

I believe your only purpose is to talk crap and create a lot of unnecessary smack-talk around here.

Either that...or you suffer from a severe case of amnesia.

How can you even say something like that, after posting numerious times in another thread regarding GSP's weight - a thread in wich the OP posts an interview with GSP's coach, Firas Zahabbi, in wich he clearly explains how big GSP is the fact he can't get bigger without affecting him.

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If he goes up [to 185], I would recommend he stay the same size. You don’t want Georges to go in there bulked up and unable to perform in the mechanical way that he does. I’d probably push him up to 200 pounds for that fight. He still wouldn’t be as big as Anderson and it wouldn’t be natural, but it would be better. If you do get on Anderson Silva, having an extra pounds on you is a good extra 10 pounds.
You're not even reading what the thread's discussion/topic is all about.

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"Georges has been getting better at cutting weight. He’s walking around at 194 (pounds). There was a time when he used to walk around at 180 to make 170. He cuts weight so easily we added more muscle.
As soon as the weigh-in is done (Friday afternoon) we’ll give him a recovery drink. We’ll even give him Prime (a workout supplement by Gatorade, which sponsors St-Pierre) because he needs the carbohydrates that much more . . . he’ll enter the ring at 192 or 193 pounds."
And i already had a discussion with you on the subject of GSP's weight, about a month ago. When i offered a lot of arguments sustaining my point of view.

Thread here

You just march in, in every GSP thread, with your *troll-poetry* trying to start s*it.

I feel sorry for you.

You sound like a very frustrated person, who doesn't have too many goals in his life and by creating this *troll-buzz*, you try to get a lot of attention on yourself.

I will try not giving you that satisfaction from now on and i hope other posters who realize this after reading this, will do the same.

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