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View Poll Results: GSP = Best P4P
Yes. GSP is the Best P4P! GSP GSP GSP!!! (and i also believe in Benny Hinn) 36 41.38%
No. GSP doesn't have phenomenal striking or submission skills to finish fights. 51 58.62%
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post #71 of 121 (permalink) Old 05-06-2011, 09:27 PM
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FORGET LOGIC.

FORGET STATISTICS.

FORGET FACTS.

ANDERSON SILVA VS FORREST GRIFFIN is all any body needs to see. I've never seen a performance in mma quite like that before and I don't think I'll ever see one quite like it again.

It was like Watching Neo fight the three agents at the end of the first Matrix.

"You're saying I'll be able to dodge bullets?"

"No Neo. I'm saying when the time comes, you won't have to".
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Why doesn't Anderson Silva want to go up in weight and fight JBJ? What about Anderson "playing it safe" against Maia and Leites? Both of which were horribly outclassed more so than anybody GSP has ever fought.

Anderson Silva isn't a little bigger he is a huge 185lber the guy walks around probably a good 30lbs bigger than GSP.
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I think Anderson Silva has shown more weakness in getting his ass dominated for 20 minutes by Sonnen than GSP has. Silva has also lost the first round to both Hendo and Lutter as well as losing the last round to Maia. Silva has looked human, GSP has dominated.
With all due respect Toxic. I think your opinion of Anderson Silva, is about a valuable as my opinion of Rampage. You hate the guy, and I'm pretty sure no matter what he did, you'd feel that way.

To answer the question, GSP is absolutely not the best P4P fighter. He MIGHT be the best athlete the UFC has, but best fighter? NO way. I would rank Also, Silva, and soon to be Bones, above him, maybe even Shogun and Machida.
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FORGET LOGIC.

FORGET STATISTICS.

FORGET FACTS.

ANDERSON SILVA VS FORREST GRIFFIN is all any body needs to see. I've never seen a performance in mma quite like that before and I don't think I'll ever see one quite like it again.

It was like Watching Neo fight the three agents at the end of the first Matrix.

"You're saying I'll be able to dodge bullets?"

"No Neo. I'm saying when the time comes, you won't have to".
LoL I gotta go rewatch that fight it has been too long.

PS: I just gotta say you have the most badass sig ever. I have considered killing you and stealing your sig. WAR REEM>


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Just like everyone said he was gonna do to Chael? Shields has the tools to take Silva out and IMO made a better fighter a MW than he ever has at WW.
I believe Sonnen would only get finished by Silva again if they fight, but it would be standing if there is a next time. Silva clearly wasn't himself that fight. Shields has the tools to hold down Silva, but he has to do a few things before he gets to that point. Silva isn't some scrub that is just going to be taken down at will when he's his usual self. I think it's a disrespect to how good Sonnen's wrestling is when we think any grappler can replicate what he does. Not even Shields has the same style of grappling Sonnen has. Sonnen can take any fighter in his weight class down.
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It was like Watching Neo fight the three agents at the end of the first Matrix.
I think you could make Anderson Silva highlight completion video and sell it as Matrix 4.
e.g. Tony Fryklund elbow uppercut, Chris Leben KO, both Rich Franklin KOs, highlight from Maia/Cote fights, etc, etc.

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I believe Sonnen would only get finished by Silva again if they fight, but it would be standing if there is a next time. Silva clearly wasn't himself that fight. Shields has the tools to hold down Silva, but he has to do a few things before he gets to that point. Silva isn't some scrub that is just going to be taken down at will when he's his usual self. I think it's a disrespect to how good Sonnen's wrestling is when we think any grappler can replicate what he does. Not even Shields has the same style of grappling Sonnen has. Sonnen can take any fighter in his weight class down.
I also think AS will finish Sonnen standing up if they fight again, he came close on start of 4th round. Can't believe AS looked so confident and energetic on 4th/5th round after losing three rounds, like somehow he knew he was gonna win, lol.

I think AS was bit unlucky cos he had injured ribs from start, Sonnen was on roid, slipped on last round(even Sonnen said he got lucky), n maybe Dana told him to fight more aggressively, cos AS was suppose to fight GSP at 170 if he beat Maia on UFC 112 but Dana cancelled it cos he wasn't happy with AS's performance in last 2 rounds, fact that he didnt fight aggressively and finish the fight. Totally unfair cos he still clearly won, and GSP gets away with decision wins all the time. Just compared the post fight photo of Maia or Sonnen with post fight photo of Hardy after GSP fight.
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Why doesn't Anderson Silva want to go up in weight and fight JBJ?
- Anderson Silva vs GSP is long overdue.
- Anderson Silva and GSP are top2 p4p. (n i'm sure most people would put Aldo in top3 p4p)
- JBJ just became the champion, he hasn't even defended the title once.
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I think GSP is the P4P best. Mostly because he doesn't really have a weakness (perhaps his chin).That doesn't change the fact that he is completely unwilling to take any risks whatsoever. He refused to attack Koscheck and Shields (Jake Shields for crying out loud!!!). He won't risk losing to Silva. He will just stay in his comfort zone dominating one lesser fighter after another in the most drawn out, risk free fashion possible. He is the Floyd Mayweather of MMA (except he is a really nice guy).




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I think GSP is the P4P best. Mostly because he doesn't really have a weakness (perhaps his chin).That doesn't change the fact that he is completely unwilling to take any risks whatsoever. He refused to attack Koscheck and Shields (Jake Shields for crying out loud!!!). He won't risk losing to Silva. He will just stay in his comfort zone dominating one lesser fighter after another in the most drawn out, risk free fashion possible. He is the Floyd Mayweather of MMA (except he is a really nice guy).
Well i dont think he is a really nice guy but totally opposite, anyway.. "he doesn't really have a weakness"? Did you see his face after Shields fight? Looked much worse than AS's face after Sonnen fight.. would be interesting to see GSP standing up against Alves, Hardy, etc.
He doesn't have great striking skills to finish people standing up, if you think he dose well he is too scared to take any chance and fights "Safe" all the time. And unfortunately he doesn't have skills to submit people after a takedown. He was on top of Hardy for like 24mins, GSP didnt want to stand with him and had no problem taking him down. I'll give GSP some credit, he did "try" to submit Hardy and had plenty of chances but thats when he displayed great Black Belt BJJ skills.

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I look at it this way, when you consider the quality of the divisions, GSP is probably the pound for pound best fighter.

If we see them fight for Silva's title I think GSP wins that fight because he's the only man in the UFC with better wrestling than Chael Sonnen.

Im just not sure how effective Silva's BJJ would be against GSP. I cant use the Sonnen fight as a example, Sonnen is notoriously known for poor submission defense. Though I think Silva has good BJJ skills he hasn't shown us the type of high level BJJ he would need to Sub a GSP or a Jake Shields IMO and I dont think he can stop the takedowns.
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With all due respect Toxic. I think your opinion of Anderson Silva, is about a valuable as my opinion of Rampage. You hate the guy, and I'm pretty sure no matter what he did, you'd feel that way.

To answer the question, GSP is absolutely not the best P4P fighter. He MIGHT be the best athlete the UFC has, but best fighter? NO way. I would rank Also, Silva, and soon to be Bones, above him, maybe even Shogun and Machida.
This is what im seeing lately. GSP is not even considered a "fighter" because he doesn't engage an opponent how you want him to. You dont win the WW Belt and keep it for this long by doing front flips over opponents. Also he isint a fighter because apparently he also doesent throw any punches or tries to break someone's arm off, and if we thought we see it, its a hallucination. GSP is THE #2 P4P MMA Fighter on the Planet, you could make a case he is #1, but he is ranked no lower than #2. Aldo, Jon Jones, Cain, etc are not above him. They shouldnt be, at this stage. Silva and GSP are way ahead of Aldo and then the rest of the pack.

They havent fought enough, they havent defended enough and they need more wins against quality opponents, especially in weaker divisions. They need to force people from LW or BW to move to FW to fight Aldo because their is not enough real tests for Aldo. HW turned into a 3 man race. And LHW is no longer the powerhouse it once was just after the PRIDE acquisition. GSP and Silva may not have much new challengers as of late, but the divisions still are pretty deep with plenty of Top Contenders and quality fighters.


Like I said before, finishing shouldnt give you this many extra points, winning should ultimately be more important. Im sure that GSP does think about finishing to silence critics, but what good does that do if he ends up taking a drastic risk, makes a big mistake, and loses? Im not saying he should not take risks, why shouldnt he? But he shouldnt just abandon his gameplan just to make people happy and just start winging overhand punches like he did against Shields. The Janitor just destroyed Brilz in 20 seconds, should he be Top#10 P4P now? Cmon, somewhere the line has to be drawn.

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