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Old 05-09-2011, 01:59 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I honestly see a future more akin to the NFL or baseball than boxing. People devote themselves to fighters much the same as they devote themselves to a home team. I mean look at me and Fitch or Bobby and Machida. We root for them like Bears fans in the nfl or cubs and red sox fans in baseball. I've never seen that in boxing. Boxers get love when there at the very top. Once they lose they are all but forgotten with the exception of the super famous guys. They don't have fans saying "he could beat (top 5 guy)" once they lose. When they're at the top and lose they just fall off the Earth and those fans they had move onto the next top guy.
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Old 05-10-2011, 02:05 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I honestly see a future more akin to the NFL or baseball than boxing. People devote themselves to fighters much the same as they devote themselves to a home team. I mean look at me and Fitch or Bobby and Machida. We root for them like Bears fans in the nfl or cubs and red sox fans in baseball. I've never seen that in boxing. Boxers get love when there at the very top. Once they lose they are all but forgotten with the exception of the super famous guys. They don't have fans saying "he could beat (top 5 guy)" once they lose. When they're at the top and lose they just fall off the Earth and those fans they had move onto the next top guy.
Ummmm, not at all true. You are coming from a bias view as you only follow MMA (you admitted yousrelf you barely know any boxers).

I follow a few boxers very closely and follow them their entire career, boxing fans are the same as MMA fans in that way.

As for the fights last night, you had a former middleweight champion, Kelly Pavlik and Jorge Arce who is a LEGEND in Mexico, bigger than any UFC star in Mexico. He won a title in his 4th division against a hyped Vasquez. Boxing fans know who these guys are, just like on a UFC card.

Boxing is dying in the US, but look at it in Europe, it is still thriving as more and more guys enter the top of the world ranks. In some other countires like Argentina and Mexico, it is also huge and not dying.

The big problems with boxing are, the 'Alphabet soup' of Champions. All the IBF, WBO, WBC and WBA recognised now as 'world champions', then there are 'super champions' and then there is the 'Ring Magazine' champion. All a joke. It ruins the entire point of having a 'champion'. Also, you have a cold war between the two biggest promotors in the sport, Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions which means you miss out on the big fights. If they cleaned up the alphabet soup, they could have 1 champion and mandatory challengers would force these promotional companies into making the match-ups. This is the biggest problem in boxing.
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Ummmm, not at all true. You are coming from a bias view as you only follow MMA (you admitted yousrelf you barely know any boxers).

I follow a few boxers very closely and follow them their entire career, boxing fans are the same as MMA fans in that way.

As for the fights last night, you had a former middleweight champion, Kelly Pavlik and Jorge Arce who is a LEGEND in Mexico, bigger than any UFC star in Mexico. He won a title in his 4th division against a hyped Vasquez. Boxing fans know who these guys are, just like on a UFC card.

Boxing is dying in the US, but look at it in Europe, it is still thriving as more and more guys enter the top of the world ranks. In some other countires like Argentina and Mexico, it is also huge and not dying.

The big problems with boxing are, the 'Alphabet soup' of Champions. All the IBF, WBO, WBC and WBA recognised now as 'world champions', then there are 'super champions' and then there is the 'Ring Magazine' champion. All a joke. It ruins the entire point of having a 'champion'. Also, you have a cold war between the two biggest promotors in the sport, Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions which means you miss out on the big fights. If they cleaned up the alphabet soup, they could have 1 champion and mandatory challengers would force these promotional companies into making the match-ups. This is the biggest problem in boxing.
I'm not denying boxing FANS know who they are. That's the entire point of being a boxing fan. But those people are almost absolutely inaccessible to casual viewers. Seriously did anyone on this board who doesn't follow boxing that closely even know there was a second title fight on that card? You saying that is the FIRST I've heard of that. There was nothing about it on SportsCenter or anything like that either. What I'm saying is that when I started watching MMA, I was introduced to innummerable fighters through things like TUF, Countdown Shows, Pre-Fight Interviews (during the card) and the Ads. Being in the same position with boxing I was at the time with MMA, all I heard about the last card was "Pacquiao vs Mosley." When I see ads for MMA cards it's always the main event, whatever attempts at a slugfest they put on there, the co-main and usually even another match. The countdown shows cover at LEAST 3 fights, sometimes four. That's 6 to 8 fighters getting exposure on a hype show, sometimes more than that depending on who they do interviews with etc. 6 to 8 compared to 2 boxers.
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With the legality of hosting MMA shows still a litle iffy in many parts of the world, it'll take quite some time for it to take off as a mainstream sport. Combat sports will never have the exposure worldwide like soccer will, so it's hard to garner maximum support. It'll take at least 40 years from now when my grandchildren are old enough to watch such sports for it to garner so much popularity. In that case you'll have the whole family interested in MMA regardless of age as even grandad will be fully exposed to the sport as well as everyone else.
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While this is an optimistic idea I think it is completely unrealistic. The NFL has established itself for like 70 years and has elite talent being produced in every single city in America. It is just not very realistic to imagine a talent and fan base the size of nfl to emerge in 5-10 years. It really just isn't feasable from an economic stand-point. The UFC is growing like wildfire, but to get as big as the NFL in the next 5-10? No chance.

On the other hand I agree with you that it will most likely be bigger than boxing in 10 years, which has been on the decline for like 10-15 years.
I don't see anything wrong with what he said. MMA is already more popular than a lot of sports in the US. Let me list the sports played in the US (off the top of my head).

Football
Basketball
Hockey
Baseball
Poker
Racecar Racing
Wrestling
Gymnastics
Boxing
Karate
Volleyball
Tennis
Golf
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Ping Pong
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Tether Ball
Frisbee Golf
Kickball
Softball
Fencing
Each individual martial art can be listed (minus karate)

I'd say MMA is probably behind golf still (I hate to say). Aside from that, I feel MMA is ahead of the sports listed below golf.

Some are untouchable for different reasons. Racecar racing is for rednecks (and they're not going away). Golf and tennis is for the rich (and they're not going away, either). Wrestling is school based and gymnastics is one of the biggest sports for little girls.

However, I can see volleyball, boxing, and poker being passed up some time within the next 5-10 years. Poker is a dying fad, boxing is a dying sport, and volleyball never had much steam behind it.
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Old 05-11-2011, 01:33 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I'd say MMA is probably behind golf still (I hate to say). Aside from that, I feel MMA is ahead of the sports listed below golf.
Kickball.. softball..

tetherball?

What in God's name is frisbee golf?
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People devote themselves to fighters much the same as they devote themselves to a home team. I mean look at me and Fitch or Bobby and Machida. We root for them like Bears fans in the nfl or cubs and red sox fans in baseball. I've never seen that in boxing.
I am replying to this part.

Not true. Boxing is the same.

You are also talking about boxing vs MMA in the United States (perhaps the same in Britain, Canada and Australia). Which is not the world.

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