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Old 05-10-2011, 06:21 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 05-10-2011, 06:50 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Isn't Nick being offered $175,000.00 to fight Lacy? Which is about what he makes in his MMA fights. Personally, I think it's kind of a cool idea because I'd like to see how he matches up to a pro boxer, granted Lacey is past his prime, but if it's about the money, 175K isn't worth the risk to Nick's brand.

In my opinion, Nick loses to Lacey and assuming that's the case, I don't see his cash cow fight with GSP coming any sooner if Nick returns to MMA defeated. I don't see that as a fight Dana would be eager to promote. I'm a Diaz fan (both brothers), don't get me wrong, all my past posts would support that, but if it's a solely money issue, getting paid for a risky boxing match for what he's being paid in MMA already isn't worth it. If it's for the challenge because he's bored of MMA, well, that's his prerogative and can't hate on that.

I'd like to see the fight with him and Lacey, but I'd much rather see a fight between him and GSP and the chances of a super fight with GSP goes down in my opinion if he goes through with the Lacey fight.
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Old 05-10-2011, 08:48 PM   #13 (permalink)
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As long as you are a entertaining fighter, I don't think you need to be a PR savy type of person. Gone are the days of letting your fight do the talking? I doubt it.

That was a stupid PR event anyway, they wanted Diaz on a dating show? wtf is that. If he had to go to a fan expo and sign some autographcs, he has no excuse for that, but blaming him for not doing some stupid PR event when MMA still wasn't main stream...who cares?

PAY THE MAN!

Win or lose, he will put up on a entertaining fight, thats something you cant say for some people who are making 200k and above...
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Monetary accumulation doesn't equal intelligence.

Diaz needs to understand that the UFC is a business.

The reason GSP makes so much money isn't because he's an exciting fighter, it's because he promotes the sport, emphasizes the positive teachings of martial arts and training, is fan friendly, and understands that the UFC is just as much of a business as it is a sport. Diaz may be exciting as hell to watch, but he's one of the main reasons why people are reluctant to promote MMA and the UFC. Diaz emphasizes thuggary and juvenile behavior (fighting in a hospital, Nashville brawl, etc.). I can't blame Diaz for not wanting to do a lot of that PR stuff. The dating thing is RIDICULOUS. But if he wants to make "GSP" type of money then he needs to realize that he needs to be involved with the business side of things as well as change his behavior. In a business, it's give and take.

If he had beyond a 9th grade education, he would be able to make that connection.
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Old 05-10-2011, 11:45 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Maybe, but he's doing pretty damn well with $100+k a fight and ranked top 5 welterweight in the world. Just saying...what did you do with your HS diploma?
Uhm, I used my high school diploma as a means of entering higher education. On Thursday I'll graduate with a degree in Business-Finance. Diaz wants to fight for a living. Good for him. He's damn good at it, and fun as hell to watch. Still though, in today's world you need education for everyday life. He can barely put his thoughts together let alone a sentence. If he wants to be paid "big bucks" then he needs to accept that the UFC isn't just a bunch of guys who get together and beat eachother up. It's an industry, and a business. If Diaz had any knowledge of that, he would either:

A) Keep his mouth shut about being paid more; he would realize that he's not very marketable to the casual audience or network executives.

B) Change his behavior so that he might actually be marketable for sponsorships.
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Uhm, I used my high school diploma as a means of entering higher education. On Thursday I'll graduate with a degree in Business-Finance. Diaz wants to fight for a living. Good for him. He's damn good at it, and fun as hell to watch. Still though, in today's world you need education for everyday life. He can barely put his thoughts together let alone a sentence. If he wants to be paid "big bucks" then he needs to accept that the UFC isn't just a bunch of guys who get together and beat eachother up. It's an industry, and a business. If Diaz had any knowledge of that, he would either:

A) Keep his mouth shut about being paid more; he would realize that he's not very marketable to the casual audience or network executives.

B) Change his behavior so that he might actually be marketable for sponsorships.
How are so sure of his incompetence? Maybe he just doesn't like being in front of cameras and stumbles a bit. A lot of people do it. Plus, I doubt you'd be the happiest person in the world if you just got into a brutal fight and then had to talk to some reporters.

I wouldn't wanna do interviews either if everyday of my life was hard training. It's like you have to prepare for the fight of your life and work the PR stuff into your busy as hell training schedule. I wouldn't blame anyone for skipping that useless shit to prepare more.
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Old 05-11-2011, 02:13 AM   #17 (permalink)
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How are so sure of his incompetence? Maybe he just doesn't like being in front of cameras and stumbles a bit. A lot of people do it. Plus, I doubt you'd be the happiest person in the world if you just got into a brutal fight and then had to talk to some reporters.

I wouldn't wanna do interviews either if everyday of my life was hard training. It's like you have to prepare for the fight of your life and work the PR stuff into your busy as hell training schedule. I wouldn't blame anyone for skipping that useless shit to prepare more.
Judging by the fact that he dropped out of High School as a freshman, has a fairly extensive record of doing illegal activities, has started fights in hospitals, and brawls after fights on live television, I personally think it's pretty safe to say that Nick Diaz isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the house.

I agree that I can't blame Nick for not wanting to do a lot of the PR stuff. Some of it is unfair, and idiotic. But if there wasn't any PR stuff, there would be no way to promote fights or fighters. If you don't promote fights, or the fighters, there would be very little revenue coming in from an uninformed audience. Nick seems to think that he should just "Train, fight, and get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars". There are plenty of fighters who take the option of doing such, they are rarely promoted properly and receive few sponsorships. If Nick wants to start making more money, he should start becoming more reputable and more marketable for MMA by not being a complete thug. You have no idea how many sponsors have dropped the Diaz brothers due to their behavior. If they want to behave like that and lose sponsors, fine. I certain;y can't tell Nick what to do, but if he wants to start making more money he better realize he's going to have to do more than just train and fight. I wish that MMA fighters were taken care of more than they are now, but MMA is arguably still in it's infancy and the nature of business doesn't much allow it. Nick can't make half a million a fight by just "fighting". It's sad. It sucks. But that's the way it is.
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Monetary accumulation doesn't equal intelligence.

Diaz needs to understand that the UFC is a business.

The reason GSP makes so much money isn't because he's an exciting fighter, it's because he promotes the sport, emphasizes the positive teachings of martial arts and training, is fan friendly, and understands that the UFC is just as much of a business as it is a sport. Diaz may be exciting as hell to watch, but he's one of the main reasons why people are reluctant to promote MMA and the UFC. Diaz emphasizes thuggary and juvenile behavior (fighting in a hospital, Nashville brawl, etc.). I can't blame Diaz for not wanting to do a lot of that PR stuff. The dating thing is RIDICULOUS. But if he wants to make "GSP" type of money then he needs to realize that he needs to be involved with the business side of things as well as change his behavior. In a business, it's give and take.

If he had beyond a 9th grade education, he would be able to make that connection.
Well I can agree with you about GSP not being exciting but the reason he gets paid so much is because he has beat some the best uncontested top ranked fighters in the world while Nick has been stuck beating up whoever is not in the UFC. I really don't think its his education that's keeping him from making the connection, successful MMA fighters are very intelligent. I think its just his personality, bias from being screwed over in the past, and self pride/dignity.

Roger Huerta had a similar problem when he wasn't getting paid for the PR.


Look at Mike Tyson, he was a brute, ruthless, cocky and beat his wife to top it off while making millions. Tyson is not like GSP the poster boy of MMA, and will go down in history for his fights not his demeanor outside the ring.
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Regardless of our opinions, this is the fact of the matter.
While I don't think he could make 500,000 per fight he should be at the 250,000 range. The kid is walking into the UFC with several main event options win or lose. He can fight anyone in the top welter weight twenty including GSP and he has the massive grudge match with Miller. Fights with GSP, Jason Miller, Jake Shields, Jon Fitch, BJ Penn, Matt Hughes, Diego Sanchez, Martin Kampmann and his brother Nate would all be main event co main events and massive draws.
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