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Old 05-11-2011, 09:58 AM   #11 (permalink)
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This is just turning into a witch hunt, the guy cheated and got caught but multiple time cheats and people who have done worse have all been forgiven once the suspension was served. This is blatantly an attack against Sonnen because there is no precedent where they done this to anyone else.
The same commission that's doing this to Sonnen, didn't welcome a multiple time steroid cheat in Barnett back once his suspension was over.

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Exactly!

The guy cheated.
He got banned/suspended.
Suspenssion is over!!!

And now...another athletic comission suspends him?! Because..."Sonnen may have perjured ...."

That's one of the *stupidest* arguments i've ever heard.

What a bunch of retards!

This whole situation smells like *politics*.
Who is the other athletic commission who suspended him? The CSAC suspended him after the fight with Silva, and now the CSAC is suspending him again.

The NSAC hasn't suspended him, they just said he'd need to answer questions at a hearing to get a fight license, and the last hearing was cancelled because his probation wouldn't allow him to go to Nevada while some big event was going on.

Since when is suspending someone's license pending a review of a potential crime retarded? That happens all the time in jobs all over the country.

If a doctor/lawyer/anything gov. regulated gives testimony to a licensing board in a disciplinary hearing, then it comes out that some of his testimony was false, do you think the licensing board would just shrug and say, "Eh, suspension over. We'll let it go?"

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Wow, I didn't know he was under oath.
I watched about half an hour of the hearing. He was sworn in right before he started testifying.

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And I didn't know anyone had actual proof that Chael lied.
He's admitted he never told Kizer about the TRT.

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Plus I find it highly suspicious that the UFC's doctors knew of his condition and the commission supposedly didn't. How is that even possible?
It depends what the UFC's doctors' roles are. But if they ever examine the fighters, there's very little chance they act as liaisons between commissions and fighters.
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Old 05-11-2011, 10:15 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm not a fan of Sonnen but I also don't really have any hard feelings against him for juicing. What I do hate is the way he tried to weasel out of it by coming up with this elaborate BS story about hypogonadism. Let this be a lesson when you get busted for juicing just MAN UP!

It wont be the first or last time an athlete was caught juicing, its how you deal with it that makes a difference. The best thing for him to do at this point is stop being defiant, come clean, apologize to the commission, the fans, Anderson Silva and the UFC.

The sooner he does that the quicker the story will go away.
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The same commission that's doing this to Sonnen, didn't welcome a multiple time steroid cheat in Barnett back once his suspension was over.



Who is the other athletic commission who suspended him? The CSAC suspended him after the fight with Silva, and now the CSAC is suspending him again.

The NSAC hasn't suspended him, they just said he'd need to answer questions at a hearing to get a fight license, and the last hearing was cancelled because his probation wouldn't allow him to go to Nevada while some big event was going on.

Since when is suspending someone's license pending a review of a potential crime retarded? That happens all the time in jobs all over the country.

If a doctor/lawyer/anything gov. regulated gives testimony to a licensing board in a disciplinary hearing, then it comes out that some of his testimony was false, do you think the licensing board would just shrug and say, "Eh, suspension over. We'll let it go?"



I watched about half an hour of the hearing. He was sworn in right before he started testifying.



He's admitted he never told Kizer about the TRT.



It depends what the UFC's doctors' roles are. But if they ever examine the fighters, there's very little chance they act as liaisons between commissions and fighters.
Good post to inject some factual information in to this conversation. +rep
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Old 05-11-2011, 11:03 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I'm not a fan of Sonnen but I also don't really have any hard feelings against him for juicing. What I do hate is the way he tried to weasel out of it by coming up with this elaborate BS story about hypogonadism. Let this be a lesson when you get busted for juicing just MAN UP!

It wont be the first or last time an athlete was caught juicing, its how you deal with it that makes a difference. The best thing for him to do at this point is stop being defiant, come clean, apologize to the commission, the fans, Anderson Silva and the UFC.

The sooner he does that the quicker the story will go away.
I agree with this.

Sonnen found a hole in the legislation that "allowed" him to cheat. However he tried to out smart the commissions, instead of coming clean and apologized for the action.
Now, they´re making him pay for it.

I like the way the commissions are handling the case, i wish there were some guys with that kind of balls in the Portuguese athletic commissions, we have ridiculous low punishments for infractors here.
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The same commission that's doing this to Sonnen, didn't welcome a multiple time steroid cheat in Barnett back once his suspension was over.



Who is the other athletic commission who suspended him? The CSAC suspended him after the fight with Silva, and now the CSAC is suspending him again.

The NSAC hasn't suspended him, they just said he'd need to answer questions at a hearing to get a fight license, and the last hearing was cancelled because his probation wouldn't allow him to go to Nevada while some big event was going on.

Since when is suspending someone's license pending a review of a potential crime retarded? That happens all the time in jobs all over the country.

If a doctor/lawyer/anything gov. regulated gives testimony to a licensing board in a disciplinary hearing, then it comes out that some of his testimony was false, do you think the licensing board would just shrug and say, "Eh, suspension over. We'll let it go?"



I watched about half an hour of the hearing. He was sworn in right before he started testifying.



He's admitted he never told Kizer about the TRT.



It depends what the UFC's doctors' roles are. But if they ever examine the fighters, there's very little chance they act as liaisons between commissions and fighters.
It's really nice to see a post with factual information. It's silly to try to assert your opinion if you literally have no facts to back it up, especially when pertaining to something legal. It was painful reading through this thread up until the above post. +rep
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The same commission that's doing this to Sonnen, didn't welcome a multiple time steroid cheat in Barnett back once his suspension was over.



Who is the other athletic commission who suspended him? The CSAC suspended him after the fight with Silva, and now the CSAC is suspending him again.

The NSAC hasn't suspended him, they just said he'd need to answer questions at a hearing to get a fight license, and the last hearing was cancelled because his probation wouldn't allow him to go to Nevada while some big event was going on.

Since when is suspending someone's license pending a review of a potential crime retarded? That happens all the time in jobs all over the country.

If a doctor/lawyer/anything gov. regulated gives testimony to a licensing board in a disciplinary hearing, then it comes out that some of his testimony was false, do you think the licensing board would just shrug and say, "Eh, suspension over. We'll let it go?"



I watched about half an hour of the hearing. He was sworn in right before he started testifying.



He's admitted he never told Kizer about the TRT.



It depends what the UFC's doctors' roles are. But if they ever examine the fighters, there's very little chance they act as liaisons between commissions and fighters.
QFT.. seems like Sonnen's fans forget these facts.
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Lemme begin by saying that I absolutely hate Fail Sonnen. With that being said, I think he should be able to fight again. As much as I hate this turd, I'll admit that he does bring a lot to the table in the MW division. I think that instead of suspending him indefinitely, they should first, make him come clean, then either suspend him for another 6 months or 1 year again, or garnish wages (don't know if they can do that, but it seems like they should be able to take a percentage of his fight contract earnings). Let him fight, he does bring a lot of attention and competition to the UFC MW division, but as an extension to his punishment, the UFC should make him work his way up from the very bottom, like a debuting fighter, and if he's successful, and stays clean, against the low level fighters he could very well get back into contention in 3, 4 years.
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This is just turning into one big joke. The fact that Sonnen has been convicted of his crimes should have no bearing on his status in MMA. The way these athletic commisions are acting is that they have the right to screw with a guys career because he has a criminal record.

Fine, he lied. He admits it now, so throw a punishment at him. Once he has served his time, just like jail, he's free to live his life, or free to fight again. Of course the leash will be much shorter but its his choice to either follow the rules, or break them again and suffer the consequences. Kizer's feelings are hurt because Sonnen lied to CSAC about talking to him. As far as his suspension is concerned, he's done. I don't see what gives these guys the rights to mess with a guys life just because he's made some mistakes (big stupid ones). Let him fight again, make him jump through lots of hoops on the way but don't take away his way of life. Just a bunch of power hungry individuals if you ask me.
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This is just turning into one big joke. The fact that Sonnen has been convicted of his crimes should have no bearing on his status in MMA. The way these athletic commisions are acting is that they have the right to screw with a guys career because he has a criminal record.

Fine, he lied. He admits it now, so throw a punishment at him. Once he has served his time, just like jail, he's free to live his life, or free to fight again. Of course the leash will be much shorter but its his choice to either follow the rules, or break them again and suffer the consequences. Kizer's feelings are hurt because Sonnen lied to CSAC about talking to him. As far as his suspension is concerned, he's done. I don't see what gives these guys the rights to mess with a guys life just because he's made some mistakes (big stupid ones). Let him fight again, make him jump through lots of hoops on the way but don't take away his way of life. Just a bunch of power hungry individuals if you ask me.
NBA, NFL regularly take players' criminal actions off the field/court pretty seriously and suspend for it. Not saying I agree with the practice but its not unprecedented for an athlete, even if the AC's are government rather than corporate.
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Of course Sonnen lied, he told NSAC one thing and CSAC another, one has to be false. If they're making an example of him, then good, MMA is better off without someone like him. A criminal, a liar, a cheat, in my book that adds up to an idiot.

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In his own special way, Chael Sonnen told us this was coming. We just wouldn't listen. Or maybe we listened too much, but didn't understand. All we could hear was a pre-fight schtick that was half pro wrestling heel and half insult comic.

And we loved it. We begged for more. We acted as if there were no consequences because that's how Sonnen acted. Maybe we wanted to believe it just as much as he did.

In case you haven't heard, the California State Athletic Commission has said it won't be giving Sonnen his license back any time soon. It seems that commission officials are none too pleased about being openly lied to during his appeal hearing in December. Those government types are funny that way sometimes.

The trouble started when Sonnen appealed his suspension for elevated testosterone levels following his title fight at UFC 117 by claiming that he needed the extra testosterone for a legitimate medical condition. He even brought a doctor in a really nice t-shirt to back up his story, and he claimed that he'd had a conversation about his use of testosterone with Nevada State Athletic Commission executive director Keith Kizer.

Kizer, however, denied ever having any such conversation with Sonnen. When he confronted Sonnen on it, Sonnen offered an explanation for his comments that Kizer dubbed "ridiculous."

Basically, he lied to California about what he'd said to Nevada, then lied to Nevada about what he'd said to California. Since this all happened at right around the same time as his guilty plea on federal money laundering charges, Sonnen has started to seem like the kind of guy no reputable athletic commission wants to give a license to, and it's hard to blame them.

Then again, stretching the truth until it snaps in half is nothing new for Sonnen. It's just that it used to be a lot more fun for the rest of us to listen to. Remember when he went on a radio show and claimed that Lance Armstrong had given himself cancer with his own steroid use? Remember when he then went on Jim Rome's show that and claimed those comments were made by some guy with a "Hispanic accent" impersonating him?

He was lying to us then, and we knew it. What's more, he knew that we knew it. Maybe that's what made the whole thing seem almost harmless. It was so ridiculous that at least it felt like he wasn't seriously trying to get away with anything.

It's the same with the pre-fight smack talk he directed toward UFC middleweight champ Anderson Silva and his camp. The stuff he wrote on Twitter (and yes, that was his Twitter, though he lied about that too) about Brazilians being a "piglet tribe of savages" and speaking a language that's one step up from pig Latin? That's some absurdly racist stuff. Only he didn't take too much heat for it, perhaps because it's even more absurd than it is racist.

But while fight fans might cut you some slack as long as you manage to be entertainingly offensive and dishonest, athletic commissions are another matter. When it comes to what substances were in your body when, and who you did and did not tell about it, they want serious answers rather than funny ones.

And, oh yeah, in case you wondering? They are actually going to check up on the accuracy of what you tell them. So that's something to consider.

But fans and media, we ate it up when Sonnen completely disconnected himself from reality ahead of UFC 117. We got caught up in the moment. Instead of ignoring his schtick, we practically begged him to turn up the volume. So he did, and we only encouraged him further.

Then the time came to tell the truth in a situation where the truth really mattered, and, well, by then Sonnen was out of practice. He'd gotten accustomed to a different type of cause and effect, and suddenly the behavior that had once earned him more air time now threatens to keep him out of the cage even longer.

And yes, that's Sonnen's fault. In the end, he's the one responsible for the words that come out of his mouth. But at the same time, we were content to go along for the ride when it seemed like harmless hype. We not only let him get away with it, we encouraged it.

Only now it's not so fun anymore. Now it keeps him from making a living as a fighter. Now we can't imagine what he must have been thinking. As if we had no role in helping him to think it to begin with.
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