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post #21 of 64 (permalink) Old 05-13-2011, 05:59 PM
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I really can't imagine Jones being able to outstrike Rashad just yet limba and Rashad's BJJ knowledge should also be superior.

It is really an interesting matchup. I do believe that Jones can defintely take Rashad down but so do I believe that Rashad can do the exact same thing. I also believe that both guys can get back up Jones probably faster than Rashad.

Striking makes the difference here for me and I see Rashad TKO Jones there.

You know that I think Jones striking is heavily overrated. I could name you a dozen fighters who would outstrike him and stop him on the feet including Shogun Rua.
I appreciate you taking the time to write this post, but here is a short summary...imo:

Rashad has s*itty striking. His stand-up (with everything included) is *medium level*.
Rashad's BJJ is even more *s*ittier*. (2 submission wins....in his first 2 pro- fights - 2004)
All Rashad knows to do on the ground is *do the blanket*.

Of course this is only my opinion.

As far as you thinking Jones' striking is overrated...idk what to say. You keep thinking that.

You will be surprised in the near future.

And no: he doesn't need to strike with people. This is MMA. he can always take them down and beat them on the ground...don't forget that.

PS: you know he beat Shogun, right?! (and pls no more: it wasn't Shogun...we had too many talks about that sunject - case closed)

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post #22 of 64 (permalink) Old 05-13-2011, 06:03 PM
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Lyoto and Shogun are elite strikers, Jones might be in that category one day..
Might? I'm guessing you failed to watch the Jones vs Shogun fight?

People sure like to through that "elite" word around.
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I appreciate you taking the time to write this post, but here is a short summary...imo:

Rashad has s*itty striking. His stand-up (with everything included) is *medium level*.
Rashad's BJJ is even more *s*ittier*. (2 submission wins....in his first 2 pro- fights - 2004)
All Rashad knows to do on the ground is *do the blanket*.

Of course this is only my opinion.

As far as you thinking Jones' striking is overrated...idk what to say. You keep thinking that.

You will be surprised in the near future.

And no: he doesn't need to strike with people. This is MMA. he can always take them down and beat them on the ground...don't forget that.

PS: you know he beat Shogun, right?! (and pls no more: it wasn't Shogun...we had too many talks about that sunject - case closed)
Opionated dribble doesn't close the case. Shogun was obviously out of shape. Anyone with non-rose colored glasses could see that.



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Opionated dribble doesn't close the case. Shogun was obviously out of shape. Anyone with non-rose colored glasses could see that.
Reguardless of him being out of shape, what happened in the first 2 minutes of the fight?

Did he not have enough cardio to put up a fight for at least 2 minutes?

All I recall is Jones schooling him the entire fight.




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I really can't imagine Jones being able to outstrike Rashad just yet limba and Rashad's BJJ knowledge should also be superior.

It is really an interesting matchup. I do believe that Jones can defintely take Rashad down but so do I believe that Rashad can do the exact same thing. I also believe that both guys can get back up Jones probably faster than Rashad.

Striking makes the difference here for me and I see Rashad TKO Jones there.

You know that I think Jones striking is heavily overrated. I could name you a dozen fighters who would outstrike him and stop him on the feet including Shogun Rua.

Bobby are you saying Rashad has better striking then Shogun? I know you believed Shogun would beat Rashad so what makes you think Rashad has so much better stand up?

I see JBJ out grappling and out striking him, i literally would bet all my credits that this fight is going to be more of a slaughter then the SHogun fight....

Rashad would of got beating by Shogun and he was a joke to Jones...

Why do u have so much faith in Rashad...


Ill bet ANY Rashad fan EVERYTHING i have that he would get SMOKED by Jones....

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Out of shape says who? didn't his own brother say he was fine before the fight?

When you start getting the snot kicked out of you from the beginning bell, you're gonna be pretty gassed come the 2nd round. I'm glad you brought up the gassing issue tho, what makes you so sure Rashad won't gas like he has in his past 2-3 fights?

Know who I haven't seen gas yet? JBJ.

I'd say Rashad might be in for a bit more of a fight than you think.
If you truly believe that Shogun was in shape then thats up to you.

I am really not going into this debate again cause it's really pointless. Everybody who has seen Shogun fight before knows that this was a shadow of his former self like always after a knee surgery.

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I appreciate you taking the time to write this post, but here is a short summary...imo:

Rashad has s*itty striking. His stand-up (with everything included) is *medium level*.
Rashad's BJJ is even more *s*ittier*. (2 submission wins....in his first 2 pro- fights - 2004)
All Rashad knows to do on the ground is *do the blanket*.

Of course this is only my opinion.

As far as you thinking Jones' striking is overrated...idk what to say. You keep thinking that.

You will be surprised in the near future.

And no: he doesn't need to strike with people. This is MMA. he can always take them down and beat them on the ground...don't forget that.

PS: you know he beat Shogun, right?! (and pls no more: it wasn't Shogun...we had too many talks about that sunject - case closed)
I really don't know what you guys see in Jones striking limba, but for he looks sloopy, slow and is still searching for his own style and technique there.. he is really not a great striker yet. I am 100% sure he will develope a great striking game in the future, but it will always be his weak point cause you can not compete against people there who have done this far longer then you did.

Thats why I said Jones is a great, great fighter because of his overall game. But striking wise he is still a newbie in the game.
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Reguardless of him being out of shape, what happened in the first 2 minutes of the fight?

Did he not have enough cardio to put up a fight for at least 2 minutes?

All I recall is Jones schooling him the entire fight.
There's no question Jones rocked the hell out of him in round one with that flying knee. And won the round solidly 10-8. But the reason Shogun didn't recover in the latter part of that round, or in the interviening time between rounds 1 and 2, was cardio.



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Bobby are you saying Rashad has better striking then Shogun? I know you believed Shogun would beat Rashad so what makes you think Rashad has so much better stand up?

I see JBJ out grappling and out striking him, i literally would bet all my credits that this fight is going to be more of a slaughter then the SHogun fight....

Rashad would of got beating by Shogun and he was a joke to Jones...

Why do u have so much faith in Rashad...


Ill bet ANY Rashad fan EVERYTHING i have that he would get SMOKED by Jones....
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Opionated dribble doesn't close the case. Shogun was obviously out of shape. Anyone with non-rose colored glasses could see that.
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There's no question Jones rocked the hell out of him in round one with that flying knee. And won the round solidly 10-8. But the reason Shogun didn't recover in the latter part of that round, or in the interviening time between rounds 1 and 2, was cardio.
His cardio may not have been as good as it was in the past, but go look at the beginning of round 3 after he had a bit of a rest, he didn't look nearly as sluggish as he did in the earlier parts of the fight.




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