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Jon Jones doesn't need surgery anyway!

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#1 ·
Well, this isn’t going to help the credibility of that swagger-jackin’ Jon Jones. Bones’s manager Malki Kawa took to twitter today with a revelation that will only give more ammunition to the haters who found it a little suspicious that the UFC light-heavyweight champion postponed a fight against Rashad Evans to fix a thumb injury that “doesn’t affect his punching or grappling“:

I guess its time to put out the truth. @Jonnybones suffered a tear in his thumb in 2 different spots… Every dr he saw said to have surgery. We went to meet with the surgeon on wed and after he looked at @Jonnybones he thought that surgery was a bit invasive and bones didn’t have To have if he didn’t want to. @Jonnybones decided against surgery, and we immediately met with dana and lorenzo the next day to get his next fight scheduled.

For the record, every doctor @Jonnybones saw was a @ufc referred doctor. The very last one on the day before surgery thought against it…And to be quite frank, @Johnnybones never wanted to have surgery, the doctors advice all along was to have the procedure done. No @Jonnybones is not fighting rashad. Rashad is fighting phil davis. I’ll let you know who or when jon will fight real soon.

Do we think Jones ducked Rashad because he’s afraid of his former training partner? Of course not. Judging from the flawless beatings Jones has inflicted on guys like Mauricio Rua and Ryan Bader, that’s a ludicrous suggestion. Unfortunately, perception is reality, and Rashad can now hijack the narrative with the talking point that Jones pulled out of their fight with a fake injury, just to avoid fighting him. (Look, he’s already doing it!) At this point, turning public sentiment against Jones is probably as important to Evans as beating him in a fight. Get ready for a whole lot of mud to be slung…
Source: CagePotato.com

This really doesn't help Jones get rid of his haters, but what are you going to do? If the story holds up he cannot be blamed... Fishy though :p
 
#7 ·
Excuse me...i just have to ask...(being the Jones fan that i am)

How did Jones create the drama here?!

If doctors (professional opinions) told him: get surgery!...and h decided to do it.

And now they tell him: no surgery!

Is this his fault for the situation?!

Maybe fighters shouldn't listen to doctors and just do what they think is good for them, right?! (Alves, Fitch, Cain...)

Don't get me wrong...I f*cking hate this situation also. I want Jones to fight (smash) Evans so much...

I predict this fight will be re-scheduled. No way they're keeping Jones on the sidelines if he's healthy.
 
#6 ·
I agree with Khov, are we in high school again?

This whole thing is stupidly annoying and pointless, Jones and Rashad just need to grow the hell up.

I want this fight to happen so this whole stupid drama crap can stop and we can get the LHW division back to, you know, fighting with fists, not with silly words and tweets.
 
#8 ·
Well if Jones doesn't require surgery now then lets put the fight back on. There are zero reasons on why Davis should keep fighting Rashad now other then giving Jones a long, long layoff.

I don't understand this..

Personally I believe that Rashad would defeat Jones and maybe JBJ really does know that too.. who knows?

I really doupt he is already at the level striking wise and grappling wise to defeat a guy like Rashad just yet.

I truly believe Rashad knows he is the superior Fighter!
 
#14 ·
This is interesting actually. Let's say Rampage puts on a hell of a show and dominates-stops Hammill while Rashad wins in a boring way (although i doubt the fight is going to be boring, Rashad ain't outwrestling Davis as he does with all of his opponents).. who would the UFC give a shot. :confused02:

I'm still 75 percent sure it's going to Evans with all the drama and so on..
 
#15 ·
I assume they're going to have him fight Rampage or Hamill as Machida is still a little ways away from a title shot. Can't wait to hear Rashad Evans on twitter in about 2 minutes claiming this is a conspiracy.
 
#20 ·
They can hate on Jones all they want, but a few things I care about remains unchanged. He is among the most exciting fighters in the sport and he utterly destroys his opponents. It just so happens that Evans can not claim either of those things.

It's clear the media wants to take this and run with it. They want to turn it into something more than it actually is so they can add fuel to the flame. They want us to care...but I don't.
 
#41 ·
Jon "Swagger Jacker" Jones be ducking Rashad like Tito ducked Chuck. Hell I'd be scared too, look what happened to the last guy that watched Rashad's stanky leg up close.........


I'm kidding btw, haters gonna hate, doctors told him he needed surgery, he pulled out, a surgeon says it's not nearly as bad as a General Physician thought, not the first time this has happened. Rashad will beat Davis, Phil will get time to mature while getting a taste of the spotlight and we'll get to see Jones Evans anyway.
 
#46 ·
I just... don't care at all.


MMA is about fighting, not drama or teams or injury conspiracies or any of that garbage. Jones may be a great athlete but he sure has created a lot of annoying drama at LHW.
Completely agree. I've never liked Evans, but Jones is annoying as f**k. Rashad has had his foolish antics recently, but Jones is on thin ice becasue he's said such stupid things before, and this particular sequence of events is suspect.

About his next fight though, if it's not against Evans, the only option is Rampage vs Hamill winner.
 
#48 ·
A flying knee to Shoguns head in the very first exchange of round one. An amazing spinning backfist from the clinch in round 2. And in round 3, a body shot of absurd power that made Shogun drop to the mat and TAP.

Let me just say it one more time. A body shot that dropped Shogun Rua and made him tap.

Of course, we see that shit everyday. No big deal.:sarcastic06:
 
#52 ·
Everybody can look flashy when your opponent is unable to breath anymore. I agree, that knee strike right out the gate was nice not amazing but other than that.. that spinning back kick showed how young of a striker he truly is. I mean you only need to look at people who can really throw it. It is world apart also the reason why it didn't land well.

As well as the front kick btw. Those strikes exactly showed us how much improvement he needs and that he is not a good striker at all.

Tito Oritz would have looked like a world beater again out there if he had fought Shogun that night. It's really fight people need to accept that Shogun wasn't Shogun that night.
 
#57 ·
I don't think he wants to fight Rashad and I think he has talked with Dana about this too, thats why they still plan on doing Davis vs. Jones instead of Rashad...

and thats also the reason why Lyoto is likely in line to fight him now :D

Everyone else is already scheduled.. leaves Lyoto alone!
 
#60 ·
Interesting article, figured it was related enough to this to not need a new thread.

Talks about how terrible this situation has been handled by Jones and his management, which it really has and I couldn't have said it better myself.

As discussed yesterday, Jon Jones will now not have the surgery on his hand which was the reason for pulling out of the planned UFC 133 bout with Rashad Evans. I pointed out at the time that Jones' manager Malki Kawa dropped the ball in how the situation was handled. Rather than shut down their public statements, Kawa continued tweeting all yesterday and today. In an effort to smooth the situation over he actually made things worse by tweeting gems like this in terms of why Jones vs. Evans can't simply be moved to August 6:

RT not enough time. June 11 to aug 6 is less than 8 weeks and he's coming off an injury.

As Mike Fagan pointed out: 8 weeks is 56 days, or exactly 8 weeks. And he's also not "coming off an injury." He has had this issue with his hand since college and is now choosing not to get it fixed. It's really time for Kawa and Jones to step away from the media, formulate a smart media plan and then execute it. At a time where desperate excuses aren't needed, Kawa continues to throw them out.

Let's run down the way that Kawa allowed the situation to play out in public one more time:

* Jones and Rashad is on the table and is, without a doubt, one of the biggest fights on the UFC's schedule. It is also the kind of fight that could turn a star into a superstar.
* Jones pulled out of the bout needing to have surgery on his hand.
* Rather than play up that this is something that he "needed" to have fixed for the good of his career, Jones was allowed to talk in public about how it is a situation he has been dealing with since college which doesn't impact his fighting but he just wanted to get corrected now.
* Once Evans was tied up with Phil Davis, Jones and Kawa announce that Jones was told he didn't need the surgery (which was always the case) and that he was making the choice to not have it. This after previously stating that he was choosing to have a surgery he admittedly didn't need.
* Then, Kawa goes on Twitter to say that Jones will fight again before the end of the year...just not against Rashad.
* When pushed on why Jones can't fight Rashad on August 8, he claims that 8 weeks is not 8 weeks and that Jones will be coming off an injury which has existed since college.

Look, Jones doesn't have to actually be ducking Evans for it to look like Jones is ducking Evans. Kawa is failing at his job. He is making a fighter who had built up a reputation as an unstoppable wrecking ball appear like he's going out of his way to avoid a fight with a guy who may be "in his head."

It would not have been hard when announcing that he was pulling out of the fight to drop some media friendly soundbites "I want my hand at 100% when I use it to break his jaw" or, at the very least, avoid ever saying that you're choosing a surgery you don't need over a fight.

Kawa is dropping the ball on, what should be, the easiest fighter to sell in the entire sport. It's making for a great example of just how few legitimate sports management types there are in the MMA game at this point.
 
#61 ·
Interesting article, figured it was related enough to this to not need a new thread.
Who's the article from. My guess is either Brookhouse or Snowden over at BE. I'm learning towards Snowden, since he's the type of guy to type "8 weeks is 56 days, or exactly 8 weeks" instead of "June 11 to Aug. 6 is 56 days, or exactly 8 weeks."

Though they are both capable of some of the ex post facto reasoning and ignoring logic.
 
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