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Old 05-14-2011, 10:45 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Old 05-14-2011, 12:16 PM   #52 (permalink)
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A flying knee to Shoguns head in the very first exchange of round one. An amazing spinning backfist from the clinch in round 2. And in round 3, a body shot of absurd power that made Shogun drop to the mat and TAP.

Let me just say it one more time. A body shot that dropped Shogun Rua and made him tap.

Of course, we see that shit everyday. No big deal.
Everybody can look flashy when your opponent is unable to breath anymore. I agree, that knee strike right out the gate was nice not amazing but other than that.. that spinning back kick showed how young of a striker he truly is. I mean you only need to look at people who can really throw it. It is world apart also the reason why it didn't land well.

As well as the front kick btw. Those strikes exactly showed us how much improvement he needs and that he is not a good striker at all.

Tito Oritz would have looked like a world beater again out there if he had fought Shogun that night. It's really fight people need to accept that Shogun wasn't Shogun that night.
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Old 05-14-2011, 12:27 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Everybody can look flashy when your opponent is unable to breath anymore. I agree, that knee strike right out the gate was nice not amazing but other than that.. that spinning back kick showed how young of a striker he truly is. I mean you only need to look at people who can really throw it. It is world apart also the reason why it didn't land well.

As well as the front kick btw. Those strikes exactly showed us how much improvement he needs and that he is not a good striker at all.

Tito Oritz would have looked like a world beater again out there if he had fought Shogun that night. It's really fight people need to accept that Shogun wasn't Shogun that night.
Are you saying Forrest looked as good as Bones against Rua? I mean, they both fought a completely gassed Rua. And yet, from Forrest, no spinning backfist. No flying knee. No making him tap from a strike to the kidneys.

To say *everybody* can look flashy against a gassed Rua, is clearly not the case. What Bones did was special. Who the hell flying knees Shogun Rua with their very first strike?

And all this is assuming he was gassed and not completely demoralized. Because demoralization will also make a fighter look like Rua did that night. We will never know.
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Old 05-14-2011, 12:36 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Are you saying Forrest looked as good as Bones against Rua? I mean, they both fought a completely gassed Rua. And yet, from Forrest, no spinning backfist. No flying knee. No making him tap from a strike to the kidneys.

To say *everybody* can look flashy against a gassed Rua, is clearly not the case. What Bones did was special. Who the hell flying knees Shogun Rua with their very first strike?

And all this is assuming he was gassed and not completely demoralized. Because demoralization will also make a fighter look like Rua did that night. We will never know.
I gave credit for that knee strike! But other than that there was nothing, nothing at all.

Forrest beat Shogun everywhere the fight went that night after the first round because after the first he was out his gas tank was empty.

We will know the truth soon enough. Jones and Shogun will fight again in the next 2 years and a much more improved version of Jonny Bones will either get beaten by Shogun or will be in for a 5 Round war. There is absolutely no way that he could do that to a healthy Shogun, we also won't see a spinning back kick anymore or a sloppy front kick.

I don't know why people can not see the obvious about Shogun.. I give up another time.

I mean you only need to look at his fights and watch his striking. It's anything else but special! Nothing but mediocre!
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Jones' striking ability is definitely above average, and his potential in the area is even greater.

He just doesn't have good boxing right now.
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I'm not going to knock Jones, but you'd think he would have checked with the surgeon BEFORE backing out of the fight. All of this nonsense could have easily been avoided, imo.
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I'm not going to knock Jones, but you'd think he would have checked with the surgeon BEFORE backing out of the fight. All of this nonsense could have easily been avoided, imo.
I don't think he wants to fight Rashad and I think he has talked with Dana about this too, thats why they still plan on doing Davis vs. Jones instead of Rashad...

and thats also the reason why Lyoto is likely in line to fight him now

Everyone else is already scheduled.. leaves Lyoto alone!
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I'm not going to knock Jones, but you'd think he would have checked with the surgeon BEFORE backing out of the fight. All of this nonsense could have easily been avoided, imo.
I think he did and they all told him to do the surgery. Then Dana referred him to the UFCs surgeon and the guy told him it isn't necessary.
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Again Limba my friend!

I do not question Jones as an MMA fighter.. not at all! I would be foolish to do so after all he has done!

I truly believe Jones is a top 5 LHW in the World and he will stay there for a long, long time.


I am talking about his striking! His striking isn't great.. not at all! He is average in this aspect of the game, which of course doesn't change that he is an amazing fighter.. because just like you said, he is MMA fighter.


I am talking about his striking only. Just one big aspect of the game of a Mixed Maertial Artist.

I don't see what makes you guys believe he is a world beater there already. The guy learned the first punches 4 years ago.. and on youtube or somewhere..

There is nothing out there which tells me that he is a great striker. He is ntohing but mediocre and needs to improve A LOT!

Just because he beat an out os shape Shogun doesn't make him a world beater on the feet. There are a dozen guys who would beat him up pretty badly standing up and I think Rashad can defintely pos a threat to him on the feet, if not a big one!!!

Again, this doesn't make him less of a fighter he already is.. he is a great MMA fighter already and HIS STRONG points are so great that it makes his weak points look nunexistent.

But Jones is far away from being a great striker!

Thats why I said, Rashad posses an interesting style mathcup because of his Wrestling and striking ( in which I believe he is superior ). If Rashad is able to make this a standup war for at least some time.. I believe he could stop Jones and defeat him.

Just like I see Machida being able to stop Jones early!
It's obvious we're not gonna agree on this subject...

I guess the only way for this to be *settled* is for the actual fight to take place.

I don't wanna be the guy who says: "told you so"...but it's gonna be something similar.

As far as machida stopping Jones early ... LOL ---> that's one of your biggest dreams...i know.

But Jones is gonna wake you up frot that dream, when the moment is right.

Always a pleasure Bobby.
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Interesting article, figured it was related enough to this to not need a new thread.

Talks about how terrible this situation has been handled by Jones and his management, which it really has and I couldn't have said it better myself.

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As discussed yesterday, Jon Jones will now not have the surgery on his hand which was the reason for pulling out of the planned UFC 133 bout with Rashad Evans. I pointed out at the time that Jones' manager Malki Kawa dropped the ball in how the situation was handled. Rather than shut down their public statements, Kawa continued tweeting all yesterday and today. In an effort to smooth the situation over he actually made things worse by tweeting gems like this in terms of why Jones vs. Evans can't simply be moved to August 6:

RT not enough time. June 11 to aug 6 is less than 8 weeks and he's coming off an injury.

As Mike ***an pointed out: 8 weeks is 56 days, or exactly 8 weeks. And he's also not "coming off an injury." He has had this issue with his hand since college and is now choosing not to get it fixed. It's really time for Kawa and Jones to step away from the media, formulate a smart media plan and then execute it. At a time where desperate excuses aren't needed, Kawa continues to throw them out.

Let's run down the way that Kawa allowed the situation to play out in public one more time:

* Jones and Rashad is on the table and is, without a doubt, one of the biggest fights on the UFC's schedule. It is also the kind of fight that could turn a star into a superstar.
* Jones pulled out of the bout needing to have surgery on his hand.
* Rather than play up that this is something that he "needed" to have fixed for the good of his career, Jones was allowed to talk in public about how it is a situation he has been dealing with since college which doesn't impact his fighting but he just wanted to get corrected now.
* Once Evans was tied up with Phil Davis, Jones and Kawa announce that Jones was told he didn't need the surgery (which was always the case) and that he was making the choice to not have it. This after previously stating that he was choosing to have a surgery he admittedly didn't need.
* Then, Kawa goes on Twitter to say that Jones will fight again before the end of the year...just not against Rashad.
* When pushed on why Jones can't fight Rashad on August 8, he claims that 8 weeks is not 8 weeks and that Jones will be coming off an injury which has existed since college.

Look, Jones doesn't have to actually be ducking Evans for it to look like Jones is ducking Evans. Kawa is failing at his job. He is making a fighter who had built up a reputation as an unstoppable wrecking ball appear like he's going out of his way to avoid a fight with a guy who may be "in his head."

It would not have been hard when announcing that he was pulling out of the fight to drop some media friendly soundbites "I want my hand at 100% when I use it to break his jaw" or, at the very least, avoid ever saying that you're choosing a surgery you don't need over a fight.

Kawa is dropping the ball on, what should be, the easiest fighter to sell in the entire sport. It's making for a great example of just how few legitimate sports management types there are in the MMA game at this point.
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